For Retro fans not interested in the Next Gen.

[Jonboy1977]

Your post is so full of fail I actually don't know where to start.

The Atari 2600 is still being made in the form of the Flashback so what the hell does that mean?

How long a machine is produced for is totally irellevant.

If you read my posts properly you will see I did answer your question. I will never consider those systems retro because of the style of games that appear on them.

I already explained my stance on the Dreamcast.

Grasping at straws. those were continued runs from the original hardware and were remodelled but still used the original hardware. The Flashback was put into production years after the originals and are the same as Famiclones ( Nes on a chip style ) that can be in no way considered original hardware models.

The style of games is irrelevant.


Retrospective - To look back at places that have already took place. which by the literal sense and taking the actual meaning of the word then any discontinued console is in fact Retro. Whether you like it or not.

Retro - designating the style of an earlier time. Making many many games made ( megaman 9 and 10 for example ) true retro games. Again using literal meaning of the word.

I believe that The guys at Retro gamer have covered both of these arguments before and have used it ( justifably so ) as arguments for including certain games in the magazine.

Its obvious that you dislike the focus shift to 3D games and analogue sticks, thats fine and I actually completely understand where you are coming from. The problem is, that you are using your personal preferences and trying to twist the retro argument into your way of thinking to only include what you like, despite evidence to the contrary.

Fine, Tell everyone your favored period of gaming stops at a certain point, but dont try and say that anything after that is not retro just because you dont like them. Which is basically what you are trying to do.

[The Laird]

Grasping at straws.

Coming from you

The Flashback was put into production years after the originals and are the same as Famiclones ( Nes on a chip style ) that can be in no way considered original hardware models.

Nothing like the NOAC as the Flashback is an official Atari product that was also designed by Atari engineers. If you want to really look stupid then I also present the Master System and Megadrive, which are still being officially made in Brazil by Tectoy and so have both been in continuous production since the 80's. Are they not retro then?

The style of games is irrelevant.

How? This is by far the most idiotic thing you have said. Retro games and retro machines are 2 different things. A download of Asteroids on XBLA is a retro game, just played on modern hardware.

The problem is, that you are using your personal preferences and trying to twist the retro argument into your way of thinking to only include what you like, despite evidence to the contrary.

Fine, Tell everyone your favored period of gaming stops at a certain point, but dont try and say that anything after that is not retro just because you dont like them. Which is basically what you are trying to do.

Only I am not trying to PUSH my PERSONAL OPINION on anybody, unlike many others here I do not present my own personal views as fact. I was giving MY OPINION on what retro is, just as others have their own. So stop trying to make out that I am in someway bullying you to share my own views like you have several times before on this forum when I am clearly not.

[Jonboy1977]

Grasping at straws.

Coming from you

The Flashback was put into production years after the originals and are the same as Famiclones ( Nes on a chip style ) that can be in no way considered original hardware models.

Nothing like the NOAC as the Flashback is an official Atari product that was also designed by Atari engineers. If you want to really look stupid then I also present the Master System and Megadrive, which are still being officially made in Brazil by Tectoy and so have both been in continuous production since the 80's. Are they not retro then?

The style of games is irrelevant.

How? This is by far the most idiotic thing you have said. Retro games and retro machines are 2 different things. A download of Asteroids on XBLA is a retro game, just played on modern hardware.

The problem is, that you are using your personal preferences and trying to twist the retro argument into your way of thinking to only include what you like, despite evidence to the contrary.

Fine, Tell everyone your favored period of gaming stops at a certain point, but dont try and say that anything after that is not retro just because you dont like them. Which is basically what you are trying to do.

Only I am not trying to PUSH my PERSONAL OPINION on anybody, unlike many others here I do not present my own personal views as fact. I was giving MY OPINION on what retro is, just as others have their own. So stop trying to make out that I am in someway bullying you to share my own views like you have several times before on this forum when I am clearly not.

Bully me, I really dont think so. As for the " several other times " talk about distorting things. It was one other time and I simply pointed out that some people, you in particular are quick to jump on newcomers when they don't share your particular viewpoint. Which many others agreed with. show me where I have even alluded to the fact that you were trying to bully me in this thread. A laughable concept considering we know nothing about each other.

The Atari Flashback is nothing like the original it is software on a chip. Although yes I still think it is retro, I was just pointing out the absurdity of comparing that to things like updated models of consoles that carry on directly.

And yes I consider any download of asteroids as retro, and yes the flashback to me is still retro, and yes although the megadrive is still being built it is still retro.

I am the one who is saying that modern stuff can still be retro, so I dont know why you are coming back at me with that. You are the one saying anything after 2000 is not retro.

[The Laird]

[The Laird]

For what it's worth the original Bejeweled was a PC game you played with a mouse. It's adapted incredibly well to touch screens, but it's not a game that was designed around them. It's also old enough (2001) to count as retro, which will no doubt please Jagfest.

You know me too well Matt!!!

Only problem is that 2000 is my cut off for retro

Tell me Jonboy1977 can you tell the difference between a joke (which has nothing to do with you) and an opinion?

You did this in the other thread when you suddenly took massive offense to a joke I was having with Liam1982

[Jonboy1977]

I consider that the last resort of a desperate man who knows he is wrong and does not know what else to say.

Your argument of 2000 as a cutoff date for retro is laughable and pathetic. along with your inability to get to grips with analogue sticks.

[Jonboy1977]

For what it's worth the original Bejeweled was a PC game you played with a mouse. It's adapted incredibly well to touch screens, but it's not a game that was designed around them. It's also old enough (2001) to count as retro, which will no doubt please Jagfest.

You know me too well Matt!!!

Only problem is that 2000 is my cut off for retro

Tell me Jonboy1977 can you tell the difference between a joke (which has nothing to do with you) and an opinion?

You did this in the other thread when you suddenly took massive offense to a joke I was having with Liam1982

I never actually took offense at all, I simply inquired that at some point you have to move beyond your benchmark of 2000 being the cutoff for retro. While I realise it was a joke mentioning 200o in response to someone else mentioning 2001. There is some grain of truth to the fact that you refuse to look beyond a certain point to what counts as retro. I was just genuinely wondering what it would take for you to reavuluate your criteria of retro.

after all in ten years time surely yhe PS2 and Xbox will have to be retro then.

[The Laird]

Your argument of 2000 as a cutoff date for retro is laughable and pathetic.

Please show me this argument because all saw was me joking with a personal friend (he said 2001 so I said 2000)

along with your inability to get to grips with analogue sticks.

Thankyou for proving what I already knew with that personal insult, that you are just here to troll.

[Jonboy1977]

Your argument of 2000 as a cutoff date for retro is laughable and pathetic.

Please show me this argument because all saw was me joking with a personal friend (he said 2001 so I said 2000)

along with your inability to get to grips with analogue sticks.

Thankyou for proving what I already knew with that personal insult, that you are just here to troll.

Actually that was a joke, in response to the numerous times you have made a joke at your own expense about how horrible you find analogue sticks.

Come on, It can hardly be considered a personal insult when its something you have reiterated many times yourself.

[Jonboy1977]

Your argument of 2000 as a cutoff date for retro is laughable and pathetic.

Please show me this argument because all saw was me joking with a personal friend (he said 2001 so I said 2000)

along with your inability to get to grips with analogue sticks.

Thankyou for proving what I already knew with that personal insult, that you are just here to troll.

Actually that was a joke, in response to the numerous times you have made a joke at your own expense about how horrible you find analogue sticks.

Come on, It can hardly be considered a personal insult when its something you have reiterated many times yourself

and you can hardly take the moral high ground, seriously, using the double facepalm. Something only used at the expense of someone else.

[martyg]

The Atari Flashback is nothing like the original it is software on a chip. Although yes I still think it is retro, I was just pointing out the absurdity of comparing that to things like updated models of consoles that carry on directly.

I'm sorry, but that is just plain wrong. The Flashbacks we did (the 2 and 2+, not counting the 1 which is a NOAC) are in no way "software on a chip". We produced the entire original 2600 hardware in a single chip implementation, with the original chip plots and layouts as a guide. There is no emulation involved.

The Flashback 3, which was done by a different company (Hong Kong based) uses an ARM chip with a 2600 emulator. We had no input in that, the branding people at Atari SA decided to license out the Flashback brand we created, without our knowledge or involvement.

[shiftytigger]

PS2 is in the retro collect database to make it easier to keep track of hoarding!

I was never into PS2 at first but I have become a PS2 censored lately - avoiding most common commercial non interest and buying damn near anything else.
That said my ps2 is packed away while my GC takes its rightful space under my TV.

I am a hoarder and I have a terrible habit of buying all i can while i can.While its nice to be able to list my ps2 stuff it has made me realise I buy too much without much of a selection process.

I am looking forward to PSP collection going online , but then again thats just because my collection grew rapidly recently thanks to Game.

Is there a Game collectors Anonymous? I have made my first step - acknowledging the problem.

[The Laird]

Actually that was a joke, in response to the numerous times you have made a joke at your own expense about how horrible you find analogue sticks.

I have Arthritis, do you find that funny?

I was having a joke with a personal friend, you don't even know me. I can joke about myself all I like that is my perogative, when you do it its an insult. I suggest you reconsider the last part of your sig.

[thevulture]

Back on topic:

What i'm personally not keen on, in terms of this generation of gaming, is how developers now seem content to just make games 'fashionable'.Think i 1st noticed it when the cover system that became so big thanks to Gears Of War (even though done on last gen.games) started cropping up, with Res.Evil 6 just the latest to borrow it.

Online Multiplayer now seen as an essential feature, day 1 DLC becoming as common as day 1 patches, regenerating health and QTE's seem here to stay (really thought QTE's would be killed off this generation) and i'm also starting to have concerns over XBL-Indie games seemed to be pushed to 1 side, Game Room never touched on the potential, Jeff Minter commented how MS no-longer seem interested in his style of work.

Chance here for Sony to take the baton and run with it, espically with Vita, but will they too fall victim to what ever is seen to be in thing and ignore indie games in favour of say PS3-Vita link up or Move or 3D?.

[Jonboy1977]

I have Arthritis, do you find that funny?

I was having a joke with a personal friend, you don't even know me. I can joke about myself all I like that is my perogative, when you do it its an insult. I suggest you reconsider the last part of your sig.

Sensitive much. That post was so full of whine.

I dont care if you have arthritis, it just reinforces my view that you have a hidden agenda when disliking modern games in the fact that rather than actually dislike the actual games, you dislike them because of reasons that render them unplayable to you.

And yes, If you joke about something like that on an open public forum, you are sort of opening yourself up a bit. Dont like it, dont keep bringing it up.