First glimpse of Wii U controller in action

[nakamura]

What did bug me about Gamecube compatibility was the need to plug in a Gamecube controller and memory card. I wonder if it wasn't a fairly crude job of the emulation to not be able to interface to the Wii control and storage system; rather than an attempt at authenticity, or worrying about being able to bring over saved games.

I don't know for sure but I don't think the BC of the Wii is emulated, I think it is all compatible hardware. If you notice, when playing a GC disc you cannot access any of the functions of the Wii, they are all shut down.

[Megamixer]

What did bug me about Gamecube compatibility was the need to plug in a Gamecube controller and memory card. I wonder if it wasn't a fairly crude job of the emulation to not be able to interface to the Wii control and storage system; rather than an attempt at authenticity, or worrying about being able to bring over saved games.

I don't know for sure but I don't think the BC of the Wii is emulated, I think it is all compatible hardware. If you notice, when playing a GC disc you cannot access any of the functions of the Wii, they are all shut down.

That's right; it's all hardware-based hence why the BC is spot-on whereas the PS3/360 rely on emulation which throws up all sorts of issues with certain games. It's also why the 'souped-up' Gamecube arguments against the Wii have grounded evidence because the BC proves that most of the Wii is a re-skinned Gamecube.

[retrosofer]

I was really annoyed when i got a 360 as i thought it was backwards compatable with all games, a big thing back then as it had been out barly 6 months, so i wanted to see what i had missed on the original Xbox. Cant remember what game it was now but when it wouldn't work it was infuriating. Seems silly really, but when the 360 was just starting out and the console didn't have that many great titles, backwards compatability was a big deal, but over time as more great 360 titles come out, i wasn't fussed about it.
I think this is how it will be for the WiiU for me, while its own library builds, it being backwards compatable will be a big thing, later in its life, and as i play through the Wii games i wanted to play, i might not be so bothered about it. I much prefer it if the WiiU does it hardware wise to, as it eliminates problems you can have when doing it by emulation. I should imagine it shouldn't cost Nintendo all that much to do either if the Wii tech is fairly old.

[killbot]

I was really annoyed when i got a 360 as i thought it was backwards compatable with all games, a big thing back then as it had been out barly 6 months, so i wanted to see what i had missed on the original Xbox. Cant remember what game it was now but when it wouldn't work it was infuriating. Seems silly really, but when the 360 was just starting out and the console didn't have that many great titles, backwards compatability was a big deal, but over time as more great 360 titles come out, i wasn't fussed about it.
I think this is how it will be for the WiiU for me, while its own library builds, it being backwards compatable will be a big thing, later in its life, and as i play through the Wii games i wanted to play, i might not be so bothered about it. I much prefer it if the WiiU does it hardware wise to, as it eliminates problems you can have when doing it by emulation. I should imagine it shouldn't cost Nintendo all that much to do either if the Wii tech is fairly old.

I think a lot of people who held off buying a Wii this gen may be tempted to give the games a try if they get a Wii U. I can see a lot of people wanting to give Mario Galaxy or Xenoblade a go to seen what all the fuss was about. In that sense, I think the Wii will probably have a slightly extended life on the retailers shelves compared to many consoles.

[retrosofer]

I was really annoyed when i got a 360 as i thought it was backwards compatable with all games, a big thing back then as it had been out barly 6 months, so i wanted to see what i had missed on the original Xbox. Cant remember what game it was now but when it wouldn't work it was infuriating. Seems silly really, but when the 360 was just starting out and the console didn't have that many great titles, backwards compatability was a big deal, but over time as more great 360 titles come out, i wasn't fussed about it.
I think this is how it will be for the WiiU for me, while its own library builds, it being backwards compatable will be a big thing, later in its life, and as i play through the Wii games i wanted to play, i might not be so bothered about it. I much prefer it if the WiiU does it hardware wise to, as it eliminates problems you can have when doing it by emulation. I should imagine it shouldn't cost Nintendo all that much to do either if the Wii tech is fairly old.

I think a lot of people who held off buying a Wii this gen may be tempted to give the games a try if they get a Wii U. I can see a lot of people wanting to give Mario Galaxy or Xenoblade a go to seen what all the fuss was about. In that sense, I think the Wii will probably have a slightly extended life on the retailers shelves compared to many consoles.

They're some of the games i'll be wanting to play for sure, Mario Galaxy 1&2, wanted to pley these games since their release, they look awesome and really fun, and i'm not even a fan of Mario games, but i know i'll love playing these as they are so different. Also looking forward to playing The Last Story, Xenoblade Chronicles, Pandoras Tower, No More Heroes, Mad World, Cursed Montain, Epic Mickey, both Zelda games (really want to complete Twilight Princess this time round,) and i'd be willing to give Kerbys Epic Yarn a try. I'm sure there's more, but cant think of them at moment, but these are the main ones i'm interested in playing.

[killbot]

I was really annoyed when i got a 360 as i thought it was backwards compatable with all games, a big thing back then as it had been out barly 6 months, so i wanted to see what i had missed on the original Xbox. Cant remember what game it was now but when it wouldn't work it was infuriating. Seems silly really, but when the 360 was just starting out and the console didn't have that many great titles, backwards compatability was a big deal, but over time as more great 360 titles come out, i wasn't fussed about it.
I think this is how it will be for the WiiU for me, while its own library builds, it being backwards compatable will be a big thing, later in its life, and as i play through the Wii games i wanted to play, i might not be so bothered about it. I much prefer it if the WiiU does it hardware wise to, as it eliminates problems you can have when doing it by emulation. I should imagine it shouldn't cost Nintendo all that much to do either if the Wii tech is fairly old.

I think a lot of people who held off buying a Wii this gen may be tempted to give the games a try if they get a Wii U. I can see a lot of people wanting to give Mario Galaxy or Xenoblade a go to seen what all the fuss was about. In that sense, I think the Wii will probably have a slightly extended life on the retailers shelves compared to many consoles.

They're some of the games i'll be wanting to play for sure, Mario Galaxy 1&2, wanted to pley these games since their release, they look awesome and really fun, and i'm not even a fan of Mario games, but i know i'll love playing these as they are so different. Also looking forward to playing The Last Story, Xenoblade Chronicles, Pandoras Tower, No More Heroes, Mad World, Cursed Montain, Epic Mickey, both Zelda games (really want to complete Twilight Princess this time round,) and i'd be willing to give Kerbys Epic Yarn a try. I'm sure there's more, but cant think of them at moment, but these are the main ones i'm interested in playing.

The Galaxy games are indeed fantastic. Don't listen to those who claim these are basically tarted up retreads of SM64 - though the star-collecting structure remains the same the levels themselves are bursting with fresh ideas. All three Op Rainfall titles (Xenoblade, Last Story and Pandora's Tower) are brilliant, but you might want to pick them up now in preperation as I can see them going for a pretty penny in years to come. No worry there with Madworld, NMH and Cursed Mountain which all go for pocket money prices these days.

[stvd]

I don't know for sure but I don't think the BC of the Wii is emulated, I think it is all compatible hardware.

Definately. If you saw the original Wii pre-launch demo's, there were some (on stage) where
some of the camera angles picked, up what was clearly, a Gamecube hidden under a stand at the front of the stage.

[electrolite77]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-in-theory-nintendo-next-gen-challenge

Interesting Wii-U article. Will give more ammo to both sides

A pretty decent summary of what we already know, to be fair. The part I thought most interesting,

"If the overall spec seems conservative for a new console shipping seven years after the launch of the Xbox 360, it's worth factoring in that the world outside of games has changed enormously since the credit-fuelled era of 2005/2006. The economic landscape favours austerity. None of the platform holders will be looking at designs as advanced as the PS3 and Xbox 360 were back in the day; they simply can't afford the burn rate, and neither can their customers stomach steep launch prices. The concept of releasing a games console crammed with state-of-the-art tech, charging £425 for it and still making a loss on every unit - as Sony did with PS3 - simply isn't viable."

I thought that bit was spot on. I just can't see MS and Sony making that much of a leap ahead of what Nintendo release, technology-wise. The costs would be too much across the board, especially to customers (though I think a lot of devs would baulk at another huge rise in development costs). There seems to be an assumption by a lot of people that the new Xbox/PS will see an exponential rise in power but I don't think it's practical.

As for the video, hugely uninspiring IMHO. Doesn't change my position though, I'll wait and see what Nintendo have in development and the price before even considering a launch purchase

[The Laird]

Sorry I have been away all weekend at Retrovision:

Exactly, I didnt say the VCS wasn't successful it clearly was, the point was it didn't start the whole games industry, mearly giving it a boot in the backside, just as Nintendo and Sega did in the 80s, and I'm we're all eternally grateful, without one single hardware manufacturer (like them or not) the industry would be different as we know it.

I never said it was the first console, but it was most certainly the first one to be successful and was the one that kickstarted the gaming industry. The 2600 was the first machine to have official coin-op conversions, licensed games, 3rd party releases and be sold in main stream stores all over the world.

No matter how far off this thread has gone off topic here and there, no matter how strongly points and fact have been contested back and forth and whether you agree with certain points of view or opinions or not, you got to admire Killbot's resolve, you can tell he's not one for giving up thats for sure. 24 pages in and he still believes he can get through to DreamcastRIP and Jagfest_UK, thats dedication and patients right there lol.

Oh dear

All I have done is stick to the facts and correct other people when they mis-represented them.

I actually played on a few Nintendo consoles this weekend including the Wii, NES, SNES and 3DS. Played some great games too but I am sure this will get ignored and certain people will be quick enough to start off the you hate Nintendo nonsense again.

[retrosofer]

Sorry I have been away all weekend at Retrovision:

Exactly, I didnt say the VCS wasn't successful it clearly was, the point was it didn't start the whole games industry, mearly giving it a boot in the backside, just as Nintendo and Sega did in the 80s, and I'm we're all eternally grateful, without one single hardware manufacturer (like them or not) the industry would be different as we know it.

I never said it was the first console, but it was most certainly the first one to be successful and was the one that kickstarted the gaming industry. The 2600 was the first machine to have official coin-op conversions, licensed games, 3rd party releases and be sold in main stream stores all over the world.

No matter how far off this thread has gone off topic here and there, no matter how strongly points and fact have been contested back and forth and whether you agree with certain points of view or opinions or not, you got to admire Killbot's resolve, you can tell he's not one for giving up thats for sure. 24 pages in and he still believes he can get through to DreamcastRIP and Jagfest_UK, thats dedication and patients right there lol.

Oh dear

All I have done is stick to the facts and correct other people when they mis-represented them.

I actually played on a few Nintendo consoles this weekend including the Wii, NES, SNES and 3DS. Played some great games too but I am sure this will get ignored and certain people will be quick enough to start off the you hate Nintendo nonsense again.

Seriously though dude, its not what you say alot of the time, and nobody doubts that your knowledgeable on certain things, but its not what you say alot of the time, its really how you go about saying it. When you start posting, you come off as talking over or down to others, and at times like an elitist retro history buff chocking on his cream scones and knocking over his best china when others comment on somthing you deem not to be precisly and wholy right. No matter how right you might be, some just dont like that at all.

You expect others to listen to you intently and accept your word, but you put up an iron curtain when others try responding back, this is very annoying and stops dead there being any real chance of a healthy forward moving debate on a subject. You expect the courtesy of others in listening to you and what you have to say, and for them to accept what your saying on a matter, but you dont extend that same courtesy back to others and listen to what they have to say in response. It goes both ways dude, if you expect that same courtesy and respect given to you, then you should give it to others.

[The Laird]

Oh dear . . . . .

Back to the Wii U discussion

[r0jaws]

At last!
Unless anyone wishes to derail it again with more trivial nitpicking?

[DreamcastRIP]

"RUMOR - Blockbuster UK lists multiple Wii U games"

Just Dance 4
Killer Freaks From Outer Space
Marvel Super Heroes
Metro Last Light
Monsters Party
New Super Mario Brothers Mii
Ninja Gaiden 3
Pikmin
Rabbids Party Land
Raving Rabbids
Rayman Legends
Shield Pose
Splinter Cell 6
Sports Connection
Tekken
Your Shape 2013
Zombie
Aliens: Colonial Marines
Assassin's Creed
Batman Arkham City
Darksiders II
Dirt 3
Formula 1 All Stars
Game Party
Ghost Recon Online

Sources:
* http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=176752
* http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/122/1224426p1.html

[resident paul]

Blockbuster let it slip!

Game industry insiders and hardcore players remain mixed about whether or not Nintendo’s upcoming Wii U console is going to be yet another massive success for the publisher – or a piece of tech that even casual gamers will consider behind on the “next generation” curve.

Of course, Nintendo hasn’t been pushing technical boundaries for some time; instead relying on what some players might consider “gimmicks” (albeit innovative ones no doubt) such as 3D and motion controls – as well as a host of first party games featuring iconic characters from the publisher’s rich stable. Regardless of how you, or industry analysts, might feel about the decision, new details about unannounced Wii U games would indicate that Nintendo doesn’t intend to change-up that strategy too much this holiday season.

According to a report from GoNintendo, a Blockbuster UK employee has leaked screenshots of a number of unannounced (and announced) Wii U titles that were listed on the retailers point of sales terminals.

Previously, Nintendo President Satoru Iwata presented a murky picture as to what players could expect from the first batch of Wii U titles:

If I said that an overwhelmingly rich software lineup would be prepared from day one, it would be too much of a promise to make. On the other hand, we are making efforts so that we will be able to make several proposals even from the launch period that can eventually become evergreen titles for the Wii U.

As it turns out, Iwata’s candid response does paint a pretty accurate representation of what the publisher has in the pipeline – if the list of potential Wii U titles is to be believed.

Check out the leaked Blockbuster UK images below – followed by an easier to read breakdown of the listed games:

Aliens: Colonial Marines
Assassin’s Creed
Batman: Arkham City
Darksiders II
Dirt 3
Formula 1 All Stars
Game Party
Ghost Recon Online
Just Dance 4
Killer Freaks from Outer Space
Marvel Super Heroes
Metro: Last Light
Monsters Party
New Super Mario Brothers Wii
Ninja Gaiden 3
Pikmin
Rabbids Party Land
Raving Rabbids
Rayman Legends
Shield Pose
Splinter Cell 5
Sports Connection
Tekken
Your Shape 2013
Zombie

As usual, it’s important to take retailer information with a grain of salt, given that a lot of stores simply input rumored titles as placeholders, and their appearance isn’t representative of actual behind the scenes information or upcoming reveals.

That said, assuming the list is accurate, the Wii U looks to follow the same trend as its Wii predecessor – relying heavily on nostalgia-fueled first party titles that feature fan-favorite characters (New Super Mario Brothers Wii 2) as well as third party shovelware games intended to be quick cash grabs that capitalize on the Wii U controller functionality (Rabbids Party Land and Raving Rabbids). While larger, more immersive, third party titles are a priority for Nintendo, despite highly-anticipated releases such Assassin’s Creed 3, the appearance of titles like Ninja Gaiden 3 and Batman: Arkham City (which will be nearly 1.5 years old when it releases on the Wii U), doesn’t do much to dissuade criticisms that the system will already be playing catch-up the moment it releases – even if some high-profile developers have, publicly, claimed the system actually has a lot to offer.

Link to this: http://gamerant.com/wii-u-launch-games- ... nk-147641/

[DreamcastRIP]

Echo?