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Re: Why do people play bad games?

Postby The Beans on Sat May 26, 2012 9:09 pm

gman72 wrote:how does one define a gaming snob?


Just take a standard definition of "snob" and put gaming in front.

A person who believes that their tastes in a particular area are superior to those of other people


And there you go.
They're usually the same people who refer to themselves as "hardcore" and anybody who doesn't play their sort of game as "casual" and so on. Angry Birds is usually a target for these people because it's considered a casual game and therefore beneath them. And it's massively popular of course. And not specific to a system that can bring out much in the way of fanboy brand loyalty (which is important if you want to be "hardcore"). And it's not particularly difficult (high difficulty is desirable if you want to be "hardcore").

Funny fact of the day: most people who knock Angry Birds have actually only played one or two levels, if they've played it at all.
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Re: Why do people play bad games?

Postby gman72 on Sat May 26, 2012 10:34 pm

I see, but does that also mean that if you simply dont like casual games and much prefer a challenge that you are automatically a gaming snob?
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Re: Why do people play bad games?

Postby The Beans on Sat May 26, 2012 10:44 pm

No, it just means you don't like casual games and prefer games that offer more of a challenge.

Unless of course you feel superior in some way to people who tend to play games for fun rather than as a challenge or for bragging rights and you feel the need to put them down for being that way either by attacking them directly or by disparaging the games they have a perfectly reasonable right to play and enjoy.
In which case you're a gaming snob. And probably an arsehole in general.
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Re: Why do people play bad games?

Postby gman72 on Sat May 26, 2012 11:33 pm

Well i'm not overly keen on casual games, however i've played tons of angry birds and such like games on my ipod they are great time killers on my breaks at work, but in my spare time i much prefer non casual stuff. Any reasonable human likes what they like like and by the same token accepts that other people have the same prerogative, the rest are just trolls and fanboys. Ignore them and they eventually go away.
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Re: Why do people play bad games?

Postby gman72 on Sat May 26, 2012 11:40 pm

The Beans wrote:you're a gaming snob. And probably an arsehole in general.

I'm not a snob... why am i an arsehole? :shock:
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Re: Why do people play bad games?

Postby Misery on Sun May 27, 2012 12:19 am

gman72 wrote:I see, but does that also mean that if you simply dont like casual games and much prefer a challenge that you are automatically a gaming snob?



See, that's the thing about them though, the bit that annoys me whenever I hear people talking like this:

Many of these "casual" games *are* challenging. Often, they're MUCH harder than the usual generic FPS crap or other big-name AAA titles that hit the big consoles. They're "casual" only because they have a simple ruleset and usually no story. Beyond that.... they're still just games as much as anything else.

Though I'll be the first one to say that physics puzzlers, the ones where you can always try for 3 stars per level, are a bit EXTREMELY OVERDONE, they're only one facet of this type of game.


Jetpack Joyride is a great example.

It's probably definable as a "casual" game. It's simple.... there's only one....er, "button", and the game is just about dodging stuff and collecting coins.

That being said, it's tough. Really tough. Go on, try to pass 10,000 km without special items (gadgets are fine though). Cant do it, can ya? Yeah. It's a TAD extremely difficult.

Or how about Super Crate Box? Unlock Ambush mode, and score at least 50 in it. In the temple stage. .....little tough, isnt it?


Stuff like that is what I always want to say to anyone I know that's saying things like "feh, REAL gamers dont play casual games, they're too easy", and the funny part is, they CANT argue with me, since I'm the one that plays games that are SO difficult the rest of them wont even TRY them because they think (probably correctly) that they'll lose almost immediately.


Think of these in this way: Alot of the games we know and love from the Golden Age of arcades, if they were made today, would be considered "casual". No doubt about it.
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Re: Why do people play bad games?

Postby gman72 on Mon May 28, 2012 5:36 pm

I like Jetpack Joyride and have had it on my ipod for several months.
Erm... yes, i agree with Misery it is not fair to label casual games as not being a challenge, I think the casual tag should refer to the often simplistic game play in these titles.
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Re: Why do people play bad games?

Postby nakamura on Mon May 28, 2012 5:42 pm

Jagfest_UK wrote:
ulala wrote:I agree, Pit Fighter is not a bad game at all. It was great graphics for its time and a lot of fun in 2 player still.

Another game that is not bad, is Ghost Busters on the spectrum. At the time it was a fantastic game and very popular. How quickly people forget the bouncy ball effect on the c64, and people loading it up just "for the music". I still play it now, and its not just for the memories! It's to drop some ghost bait, vacuum up some slimers and bust some ghosts!


Agreed, I love Pit-Fighter, one of my favourite games ever.

I also have a really soft spot for both the Speccy and 2600 versions of Ghostbusters too :D


I used to love it in the arcades. Every home port was diabolical though.
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Re: Why do people play bad games?

Postby The Laird on Mon May 28, 2012 5:48 pm

nakamura wrote:I used to love it in the arcades. Every home port was diabolical though.


Don't agree. The Megadrive and Lynx versions are bloody good although far from arcade perfect still. The MD conversion is missing all the scaling effects and has quite small sprites while the Lynx translation is missing the speech (wierdly), the intro and has different purse bonus screens. That said though the Lynx version is the only version to have all the scaling effects, big sprites and the music from the arcade game while the MD version is the most playable one out there.
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Re: Why do people play bad games?

Postby nakamura on Mon May 28, 2012 5:52 pm

I thought they were all rubbish really. It wasn't a brilliant game in the first place and without the huge sprites and scaling on a massive screen it highlighted it further. I did really enjoy the arcade game as I said but it was definately due to it being in the arcade.
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Re: Why do people play bad games?

Postby JazzFunk on Mon May 28, 2012 10:29 pm

Go to agree with Jagfest, Pit Fighter was never a great game to begin with but was fairly fun for a short-lived, shallow, beat 'em up. The MD version was a pretty good, accurate (but scaled-down) approximation of the arcade, whereas the SNES version is inexplicably dire, almost to the point of not being playable at all. Thing about the SNES version is that it *shouldn't* have been that bad, its anomalous level of atrocity transcends mere 'badness' and becomes almost abstract in how bizarre it actually is, sorta like trying to analyse the concept of infinity over an overly prolonged period of time.
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Re: Why do people play bad games?

Postby The Laird on Mon May 28, 2012 10:40 pm

JazzFunk wrote:Go to agree with Jagfest, Pit Fighter was never a great game to begin with but was fairly fun for a short-lived, shallow, beat 'em up. The MD version was a pretty good, accurate (but scaled-down) approximation of the arcade, whereas the SNES version is inexplicably dire, almost to the point of not being playable at all. Thing about the SNES version is that it *shouldn't* have been that bad, its anomalous level of atrocity transcends mere 'badness' and becomes almost abstract in how bizarre it actually is, sorta like trying to analyse the concept of infinity over an overly prolonged period of time.


The SNES version is one of the worst games ever, the Gameboy version is also atrocious and I have no idea why they even attempted it.
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Re: Why do people play bad games?

Postby the_hawk on Mon May 28, 2012 10:42 pm

I downloaded that C5 game from a few pages back.

Crap? well yes.

Did I have a chuckle playing it & come back for a few more goes? Absolutely.

Was the 20 minutes I spent playing it more fun than sitting through an unskippable cut scene/tedious tutorial some of the modern games have? You bet your boots!

Don't know why anyone else plays them, but I like playing crap, simple games that don't take themselves too seriously.

Oh and I LOVED Pit Fighter at the time, played it recently & it hasn't really held up well unfortunately.

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Re: Why do people play bad games?

Postby GarryG on Wed May 30, 2012 9:08 pm

Just a thought, but this is the Retro Gamer forum so presumably we are all liking retro games, yes? And by today's standards easily 9o%+ of all 8 and 16Bit games would be classed as 'casual' gaming...

...just a thought...


:mrgreen:


Seriously though, there are a lot of sheeple out there that believe something is good or bad mostly because they are told so!
I quite liked the 'Blood Rayne' games, which were pretty much universally panned.
I've probably also spent around the same amount of time playing 'Angry Birds' as I have 'Border Down' but much more playing 'Gorf' and 'Phonix' so how hard-core does that make me :lol:
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Re: Why do people play bad games?

Postby Misery on Wed May 30, 2012 10:51 pm

GarryG wrote:Just a thought, but this is the Retro Gamer forum so presumably we are all liking retro games, yes? And by today's standards easily 9o%+ of all 8 and 16Bit games would be classed as 'casual' gaming...

...just a thought...


:mrgreen:


Seriously though, there are a lot of sheeple out there that believe something is good or bad mostly because they are told so!
I quite liked the 'Blood Rayne' games, which were pretty much universally panned.
I've probably also spent around the same amount of time playing 'Angry Birds' as I have 'Border Down' but much more playing 'Gorf' and 'Phonix' so how hard-core does that make me :lol:



Aye, it's true, alot of people really do seem to just go with whatever the popular idea is; it's popular to dislike "casual" titles, so people often dislike them JUST because of that.

And it's a shame, really. Because likely, they're missing out on some stuff they might otherwise really enjoy, just because derp.

Never gave a crap about that sorta thing myself, and I sure as heck dont care about reviews. I'll like whatever in the heck I like, thank you, and at the same time I'll hate damn near everything, because that's what I do.


Also Gorf and Phoenix are excellent. A couple of good arcade titles that you never really hear much about....
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