What grinds your gears ?

[pratty]

And while I'm in a mood!

The generation before me - thanks for putting property prices up so we can't afford them. Houses that people bought for £50k twenty years ago, and the owners trying to sell them for £250k.

Thanks for fking up the economy. Ah, but at least most of you will get a nice pension as you retire at 60. The rest of us are fked for life.

They didn't fcuk the economy !

The lenders/banks et all had a lovely (fraudlent)scheme(scam) going for years!They were doing this on a global wide scale ,they knew the bubble they created would eventually burst ,but quickly made as much money out of their scheme as they could .And now they are allowing them to trade more toxic loans onto the pensions .One scam stop and the money men are allowed to start another fraud ,so the people can bail the twats out again .

Yeah, bailing out the current crooked banking/monetary system (and I'm not talking about capitalism) is just throwing petrol on the fire. We're well overdue a new honest and healthy system, surely all these economists can think of something better than what we've currently got.

[oli_lar]

Seriously, that's a front page story? Fck me, what a country we live in.

The military coup in Mali a few days ago doesn't seem to have had any attention at all. There needs to be an independent not for profit organisation that doesn't use TV ratings, to supplement reuters & the news vendors.

Tightening the controls on what constitutes as news output for terrestrial TV channels is another one - sport and celebrity tittle tattle aren't news, god knows how channel 5 got away with 'live from studio 5'.

[pratty]

Seriously, that's a front page story? Fck me, what a country we live in.

The military coup in Mali a few days ago doesn't seem to have had any attention at all. There needs to be an independent not for profit organisation that doesn't use TV ratings, to supplement reuters & the news vendors.

Tightening the controls on what constitutes as news output for terrestrial TV channels is another one - sport and celebrity tittle tattle aren't news, god knows how channel 5 got away with 'live from studio 5'.

I'm reminded about a quote by the Radio Presenter Tommy Boyd about the news. It was something like "The public must never find out how the news, and sausages, are made."

[ToxieDogg]

Well said that man! I get so tired of hearing what people (not necessarily on here) describe as being 'fair' when what they're actually pushing is their own socialist interpretation of what 'fair' is.

So a socialist's interpretation of what is fair isn't valid in your opinion?

The problem I have with non-socialist viewpoints on the situation is that for the most part (obviously I don't mean all, but certainly the majority of what I've heard and read) they're all so self centered, all 'as long as I'm all right, then the rest of you can go and fcuk yourselves', the whole 'dog eat dog' survival of the fittest type mentality. Fair enough if that's what works best for you and yours, but that kind of an attitude towards the world just isn't for everyone I'm afraid.

To me, all you're doing is pushing your own non-socialist interpretation of what 'fair' is.

We're all different.

[pratty]

I'm not going to try to get into arguments with people, so I'm just going to say my piece and bow out. In my opinion people would do well to look beyond capitalism vs socialism. The right/left paradigm just seems like a divide and conquer tactic to me, with the business and political elite (monopolists and collectivists one and all) running both sides to that end.

[The Angry Jock]

The problem I have with non-socialist viewpoints on the situation is that for the most part (obviously I don't mean all, but certainly the majority of what I've heard and read) they're all so self centered, all 'as long as I'm all right, then the rest of you can go and fcuk yourselves', the whole 'dog eat dog' survival of the fittest type mentality. Fair enough if that's what works best for you and yours, but that kind of an attitude towards the world just isn't for everyone I'm afraid.

What you've described there fits into all 'classes' (for want of a better word) of British society, more so from those who are reliant on the money provided by the well off, I imagine it's because they outnumber them 70 to 1.

Out of interest, what do you do to help society? Since I assume you don't fit into the above statement.

[thevulture]

Forum gone all 'Radio 4' all of a sudden?

[crusto]

Someone once said to me that to the average joe all a change of government usually equates to is plus or minus £50-100 per month. A simple assessment, but surprisingly accurate. They're all teenucs if you ask me. Just after more and more ways to fund their moats.

Will be interesting to see what excuses they invent to heavily tax green fuels when they become more commonplace.

[The Angry Jock]

Taxes always go up because MPs like Gordon Brown can only win an election by buying votes, this can only be done up to a point.

This country is completely ignorant of politics, all most voters are interested in is how much more they can get, regardless of how it's paid for.

[theantmeister]

If you ask me, we should all be paying the same rate of tax, anyone earning over £20k (hypothetically speaking) should pay 20% tax over that allowance. All business should be taxed at the same rate. KEEP IT SIMPLE!

I completely agree. The only way it could be completely fair is if we all paid the same rate. But hey, that's not the system we have and if I'm going to get fucked harder than the lower income people then I want people on a higher income than me to get fucked even harder.

[The Angry Jock]

Unfortunately an increasing scale of f*ckedness makes the system ever more complicated and holier than Rab Cs vest.

[JazzFunk]

I do not concern myself with it, I just ensure I do overtime when need be, and try and get myself working Sundays as often as poss.

Saves on stress.

But, yeah, I'd love to see all these middle managers getting proper f*cked, preferably with a chainsaw. F*cking oily, overpaid pen-pushers, scourge of the nation.

[DreamcastRIP]

Well said that man! I get so tired of hearing what people (not necessarily on here) describe as being 'fair' when what they're actually pushing is their own socialist interpretation of what 'fair' is.

So a socialist's interpretation of what is fair isn't valid in your opinion?...

Please show me where I stated, or even merely intimated, that "a socialist's interpretation of what is fair isn't valid".

[The Angry Jock]

I do not concern myself with it, I just ensure I do overtime when need be, and try and get myself working Sundays as often as poss.

And that's the conscientious attitude that's in decline nowadays, it just doesn't pay and makes you a figure to be despised. I'm sure if you worked 80 hours an week you'd be mightily p*ssed off by the "fair" brigade if they demanded 62% of your salary (and then you have VAT and assorted duties on top of that!).

[The Angry Jock]

Yeah, true. Still grinds my gears though and any extra money I now earn, say from my pathetic savings account, is now taxed at 40%.

Do you use ISAs?