What grinds your gears ?

[DPrinny]

Still dont know why a pub would turn people away that was going there to drink.
At the end of the day they are people that have served the country so they probably deserve a drink

[oli_lar]

I read that article on the BBC website, not just the headline, and noted with interest that the policy is now being reconsidered. That is for the business to decide. If their policy leads to them going out of business, that is there own decision. They could always change their policy.
However, the policy of not serving uniformed personnel is an interesting one. The Armed forces have a policy about drinking in uniform in public, but that extends to alcohol. Soft drinks and water may be consumed when on duty.
Any shop, bar or business that decides to enact a blanket ban on serving a person based on what they are wearing should be reported. If those chaps were wearing a dishdasha and the bar refused to serve them a cup of tea, I'm sure the headlines may have been as prominent. Although, in today's climate, perhaps as acceptable to a certain breed of mind?
The fact that these guys were on pall bearer duties is one thing, but the issue to me is the fact that the bar owner held in refusing to serve the guys in the first place.
It's an almost victorian attitude to our personnel. Must keep the tommies from our premises incase they decide to cause any trouble or bring down the tone of the establishment.
I've encountered that attitude many times before, and still do today. I and my family were once asked to leave a pub, which we had booked for a meal, when they spotted my ID card in my wallet. I was with my wife, children and parents. Naturally we left, and ensured that all our friends and family were made aware of their policy and behaviour. I'm sure it has no bearing on the incident or our reaction, but that pub is under new management.
Simply put, if the staff had used some discretion or even actively thought about the consequences of their actions, then there would have been no incident. The business owner would not have lost custom, and a grieving family would not have been further upset. But who uses discretion these days when there is an overwhelming eagerness to enforce petty policy on someone. Nothing beats that smug feeling of satisfaction when you adhere to the rules thoroughly.

What if 20 people wearing 'gang colours' turn up a night club? Let them in? And then another 20 wearing another gang's colours? Let them in as well? Look at what happened to Niche in Sheffield. Sorry, but its a bit daft to say a person's appearance means nothing about them. It certainly isn't the be all and end all, but people dress as they do for reasons, to express something.

I don't think it was anyone lording their reponsibility over anyone - more that the door staff probably get tens of people a day asking them to bend the rules for trainers etc. As someone who has worked in bars and pubs getting a fair few people asking you to bend the rules, then explain the rules, then ask again, then say 'but why?', then getting angry because they don't want to actually listen to you, just get in - it gets very old very quickly. In the end you just say 'its policy' because its 100 times easier than to argue about it for 10 mins.

Essentially, what I'm saying is there are two sides to the story - the facebook warriors completely ignore half of it.

Still dont know why a pub would turn people away that was going there to drink.

I know a few people in the army - infantry and paras and they are animals when all of them are out together drinking (alcohol)! Obviously its not true for everyone in the forces but working in a mostly male high stress environment quite often just makes it happen hence similar policies.

People pressing the button on a pedestrian crossing without looking wether or not something is actually coming irritates me! That and people who drive way below the limit and then double their speed when they realise they'll get stuck at traffic lights.

[DPrinny]

Still if they let no job chavvys in and not people that have actually done something useful with there life's its probably not a good pub to go in.

[stvd]

Still if they let no job chavvys in and not people that have actually done something useful with there life's its probably not a good pub to go in.

How do you differentiate between the two?

We have a local gastro-pub where you're not allowed to wear baseball caps or head-gear of any description.
This wasn't a problem until they refused a female cancer patient who was wearing a hat to hide her hair loss from treatment.

Another city center pub doesn't allow Burberry clothing?!?!?!? Again, sounds a bit daft - only came to light when they stopped a female, middle-aged, city worker as she had a Burberry rain coat.

And most pubs around here don't allow football colours.

The fact is both these places, despite the stories hitting the headlines, are still thriving businesses.
And, as far as I know, still have these restrictions in place.

Just because it was a group of soldiers and they were going to a funeral it's the crime of the century and the place should be shut down.
Lots of places don't admit squaddies (as that is how they were known before they became "heroes") as they have a reputation for causing trouble.

[DPrinny]

And most pubs around here don't allow football colours.

The fact is both these places, despite the stories hitting the headlines, are still thriving businesses.
And, as far as I know, still have these restrictions in place.

Just because it was a group of soldiers and they were going to a funeral it's the crime of the century and the place should be shut down.
Lots of places don't admit squaddies (as that is how they were known before they became "heroes") as they have a reputation for causing trouble.

My locals are all for Manc City fans only, the football thing is understandable as most are a load of yobbos that dont get on

[r0jaws]

.....What if 20 people wearing 'gang colours' turn up a night club? Let them in? And then another 20 wearing another gang's colours? Let them in as well? Look at what happened to Niche in Sheffield. Sorry, but its a bit daft to say a person's appearance means nothing about them. It certainly isn't the be all and end all, but people dress as they do for reasons, to express something.

I don't think it was anyone lording their reponsibility over anyone - more that the door staff probably get tens of people a day asking them to bend the rules for trainers etc. As someone who has worked in bars and pubs getting a fair few people asking you to bend the rules, then explain the rules, then ask again, then say 'but why?', then getting angry because they don't want to actually listen to you, just get in - it gets very old very quickly. In the end you just say 'its policy' because its 100 times easier than to argue about it for 10 mins.

Essentially, what I'm saying is there are two sides to the story - the facebook warriors completely ignore half of it. ....

Point taken about there being more to the story than appears on the surface, but isn't that always the way? Perhaps because I have been on the receiving end of this active discrimination because of my line of work I maybe more sympathetic to the soldiers than I am to the bar staff. To be tarred with the brush of "yobbo" and "troublemaker" because I am a military air traffic controller is unfortunate. Although, when I was barred from entry to a pub in Folkestone because I was in the forces the young chap at the door took the time to explain that generally it wasn't just the squaddies who caused trouble, but all the young local bucks wanting to square up to a squaddie. So it was much easier to just bar squaddies than sort out potential troublemakers.
As the one who would have to sort out the eventual trouble, I could sympathise with him somewhat. Still insulting though.
I could take umbrage at soldiers', in their number one uniforms, dressed for an official parade, being compared to a scally gang member or some twonk in trainers, but I have worked on a door before myself, and in a bar and understand your angle of argument (even if it is a little insulting )
However, It is interesting that you mention this...

...but people dress as they do for reasons, to express something.

In this particular case, the expression was a mark of respect for a young man who died at our behest. The uniform represents their Regiment, the Army, and the everyone in the UK.

[rocky1980]

People who cycle to and from work and think they are so f**king superior than the rest off us

[The Angry Jock]

People who cycle to and from work and think they are so f**king superior than the rest off us

I walk to work so I'm superior to them

[DPrinny]

Drivers that "Dont see" bikers.

Seriously guys. Someone coming off there bike is not pretty

[Negative Creep]

Drivers that "Dont see" bikers.

Seriously guys. Someone coming off there bike is not pretty

On the flip side, bikers who perform dangerous manoeuvres such as high speed undertaking and expect drivers to see them.

Anyway, that 360 I bought on Sunday? The piece of censored doesn't censored work properly, and will switch itself off at random, rebooting in 480p format. Having searched online this would indicate a power supply problem. So now I'll have to drive all the way back into town, walk to CEX, queue for about half hour whereupon I would put money on the censored thing working perfectly. I can't even ring ahead, since there are no local phone numbers and even their main helpline is hard to find on their site.

But before I can do any of that, I have to re transfer all my saved games back to the old 360. But of course it can't just be straightforward as I have to keep signing in and out of my profile and can't have both turned on at the same time, or transfer anything without signing in. It will also randomly stop you transferring saves to the Cloud since it will say you can't transfer between profiles. As you can imagine, I'm pretty damn annoyed

[psj3809]

Drivers that "Dont see" bikers.

Seriously guys. Someone coming off there bike is not pretty

I see bikers as long as theyre not undertaking me, weaving in and out of traffic just to get there a bit quicker. You do realise bikers can be to blame for a lot of accidents ?

Easy to see a biker when hes overtaking you properly, if hes undertaking you then its not good

[greenberet79]

I've noticed that car driving seems to be getting worse - people are driving faster, accelerating more, overtaking more, tailgating more, making selfish decisions. All to save themselves a couple of seconds here and there. The other day a car overtook me AND a bus that was in front of me - there's no way he could have known what was on the other side.

AND (while I'm ranting!) the number of scumbags/scallies/chavs racing round going through red lights, overtaking, driving down the wrong lanes. Probably spliffed out of their heads.

[psj3809]

Totally agree, most probably arent even insured ! You do get some stupid idiots who drive so badly whilst theyre in a company car or van. I'm not a grass BUT for the first time ever a few months back ago i did grass up a really bad driver !

There was tons of traffic, there was this one car revving and the second there was a few metres gap he would go from lane to lane, up peoples behinds, intimidating them by going left/right behind them. Thing is he was in a company car as it had the company name/website. I later emailed them and they were very good, thanked me for my email, apologised and said that day they had received another 10 or so emails about this driver for them. He must have been a salesman but hes representing that company and was acting a total muppet.

[The Angry Jock]

I've noticed that car driving seems to be getting worse - people are driving faster, accelerating more, overtaking more, tailgating more, making selfish decisions. All to save themselves a couple of seconds here and there. The other day a car overtook me AND a bus that was in front of me - there's no way he could have known what was on the other side.

I hate dithering, hesitant drivers that hold up traffic because of fear or indecision...that's what causes accidents.

[greenberet79]

I've noticed that car driving seems to be getting worse - people are driving faster, accelerating more, overtaking more, tailgating more, making selfish decisions. All to save themselves a couple of seconds here and there. The other day a car overtook me AND a bus that was in front of me - there's no way he could have known what was on the other side.

I hate dithering, hesitant drivers that hold up traffic because of fear or indecision...that's what causes accidents.

Not as much as someone driving 60 miles an hour in the wrong lane past another car and a bus.