2011/12 Football Season chat (contains MOTD spoilers)

[greenberet79]

Also, Alan Smith has joined MKDons on loan from Newcastle. I'd actually forgotten that he was still at Newcastle.

Did I read that Alan Smith is on about £65,000 a week at Newcastle??

[dste]

£60,000 according to reports with MKDons paying £2,500 of that a week.

Forest have accepted a bid of £800,000 for Wes Morgan from Leicester.

[greenberet79]

The FA today awarded the FA Cup tie to Manchester after accepting Patrice Evra's claim that his team in fact scored 6 times. Despite 5 of the goals not being caught by any of the players, the crowd, or the TV cameras, the FA found Mr. Evra a very convincing witness. On other hand, 'we found Mr. Reina's testimony to be totally unreliable. He admitted conceding one goal but was unable to come up with any evidence at all of saving any of the other 5. Since Mr. Reina could not prove he saved 5 goals, we concluded that they must have been scored'. The referee said that he didn't recall 6 goals being scored but couldn't be sure as he threw his notes away after the game.

Responding to comments that Mr. Evra had at various times after the game claimed his team had scored 1, 2, 3, 4 and 7 goals, the panel found that Mr. Evra, not being a native speaker of English, had confused these numbers and thought they all meant 6.

LFC have been urged not to appeal by fair play campaigners saying that Man U won fair and square and the team should not condone cheating.

[lanky316]

Would've been funnier if we'd had half the Liverpool team confirming such a thing happened

[clarance]

The FA today awarded the FA Cup tie to Manchester after accepting Patrice Evra's claim that his team in fact scored 6 times. Despite 5 of the goals not being caught by any of the players, the crowd, or the TV cameras, the FA found Mr. Evra a very convincing witness. On other hand, 'we found Mr. Reina's testimony to be totally unreliable. He admitted conceding one goal but was unable to come up with any evidence at all of saving any of the other 5. Since Mr. Reina could not prove he saved 5 goals, we concluded that they must have been scored'. The referee said that he didn't recall 6 goals being scored but couldn't be sure as he threw his notes away after the game.

Responding to comments that Mr. Evra had at various times after the game claimed his team had scored 1, 2, 3, 4 and 7 goals, the panel found that Mr. Evra, not being a native speaker of English, had confused these numbers and thought they all meant 6.

LFC have been urged not to appeal by fair play campaigners saying that Man U won fair and square and the team should not condone cheating.

Have you actually read the FA report on the Suarez incident?

Liverpool fans are completely blinkered when it comes to the racist remarks made by Suarez - the fact that all throughout the 90 minutes on Saturday Evra was subjected to booing by the Liverpool fans for making a complaint over a racist remark is quite unbelievable in this day and age. Even more so the confusing ITV coverage, with cutaways to Suarez celebrating the goals as if he was some kind of victim of wrongdoing - at one stage the commentator declared, after Evra was booed, "he [Evra] was always going to be the villain of the piece" ?? - confusing is putting it rather kindly...

The report here, for those that want the facts - http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Disciplinary ... ssion.ashx

[SirClive]

I am a Liverpool fan and I find it all a bit distasteful. I wouldn't have been booing Evra and think the best thing we can do is to try and move past the whole sorry incident as quickly as possible.

[clarance]

But that's not going to happen until Liverpool F.C. and Suarez issue an apology over the matter - and that's not going to happen any time soon and at least as long as 'King Kenny' is in charge. Liverpool (coming mostly from the Dalglish mindset)seem to see themselves as the victims here - therein lies the problem.

The John Terry incident is equally warped as well in my opinion - although we have to wait for the dust to settle on that one, so to speak - I found the media stories suggesting that Ferdinand should shake Terry's hand before the match very puzzling. At the very least it should be Terry offering an apology and his hand to Ferdinand, shouldn't it?

[Wookiee]

On one hand we have Patrice Evra....who has cried wolf on this subject before (Chelsea groundstaff) and been involved in his national teams player strike....hardly a shining beacon of morality there

On the other we have a guy who cheated blatantly in the World Cup, robbing the competition of it's last African team and who tried eating one of his opponents in the Dutch league

So, turns out....they're both twunts, all we're doing is debting the flavour of their particular twuntishness no?

As for the Terry thing....are we now saying that footballers...no strike that, grown men cannot be trusted with handling the decision of whether to shake one another's hand themselves? No wonder we can't look to footballers as role models...we won't let them build character by making difficult choices

That's my tuppence

[SirClive]

At the very least it should be Terry offering an apology and his hand to Ferdinand, shouldn't it?

Terry is yet to be convicted of the offence though. We don't actually know for sure who the victim is in that case.

[clarance]

On one hand we have Patrice Evra....who has cried wolf on this subject before (Chelsea groundstaff) and been involved in his national teams player strike....hardly a shining beacon of morality there

Again, factually incorrect - this slur has come from 'King Kenny' as an attempt to discredit Evra - read this - http://therepublikofmancunia.com/how-pa ... dangerous/ with particular reference to this link - http://soccerlens.com/the-fas-evra-repo ... ive/19035/ - and see how Liverpool F.C have attempted to manipulate the facts rather than tackle the real issue, namely that one of their players is guilty of making racist remarks.

And how exactly the French world cup fiasco(and Evra's involvement in it) holds any pertinence here is beyond me...

[clarance]

At the very least it should be Terry offering an apology and his hand to Ferdinand, shouldn't it?

Terry is yet to be convicted of the offence though. We don't actually know for sure who the victim is in that case.

True, so why did all the media reports at the weekend report on Ferdinand to shake hands with Terry rather than the other way around, implying that Ferdinand was the one that had to make the first move at reconciliation? Seems he was being pressured into the act by some.

[paranoid marvin]

I find it a bit ironic that after the uproar about Blatter's comments that a handshake should settle racist issues on the pitch that there was pressure on Ferdinand to do exactly that.

[pratty]

I'm probably gonna get misunderstood and get a lot of grief for this, but here gos:

I think people are missing the point on why Evra was booed. It's not because Liverpool fans condone racism and how dare Evra object to it.

It's because they probably doubt Evra's motivation for the complaint and regard Evra as a hypocrite - as someone who initiated the agro (aggressively and wrongly accosting Suarez for a non existent kick) but then cried foul to get Suarez in trouble when he didn't like the response he got.

Of course Suarez was wrong to respond racially and that is a worse offence than Evra's. However had Evra not got in Suarez's face to begin with Suarez would not be banned right now.

Winding up in the hope of retaliation is just what some player's do, when Zidane lost it and butted Marco Materazzi it was mission accomplished. Technically Marco Materazzi was the victim of an assault, but as far as the French are concerned Materazzi cost them the World Cup, so naturally them boo him.

[clarance]

I'm probably gonna get misunderstood and get a lot of grief for this, but here gos:

I think people are missing the point on why Evra was booed. It's not because Liverpool fans condone racism and how dare Evra object to it.

It's because they probably doubt Evra's motivation for the complaint and regard Evra as a hypocrite - as someone who initiated the agro (aggressively and wrongly accosting Suarez for a non existent kick) but then cried foul to get Suarez in trouble when he didn't like the response he got.

Of course Suarez was wrong to respond racially and that is a worse offence than Evra's. However had Evra not got in Suarez's face to begin with Suarez would not be banned right now.

Winding up in the hope of retaliation is just what some player's do, when Zidane lost it and butted Marco Materazzi it was mission accomplished. Technically Marco Materazzi was the victim of an assault, but as far as the French are concerned Materazzi cost them the World Cup, so naturally them boo him.

Exactly, and there lies the stupidity of Liverpool F.C. - Evra makes a complaint of racial abuse, but this is totaly disregarded as a fiction because it suits the agenda of Liverpool F.C - like I said, read the F.A. report into the incident and things become a little clearer. The crux of the case lies in whether or not you believe Suarez when he states that he was using 'the word' in a friendly manner, or to wind up Evra (Suarez admitted he used the word, but argues about the context in which it was used...)

And of course we now have the laughable scenario whereby Liverpool are banning fans for life for the same offence that Suarez was found guilty of himself - but Suarez is still the victim...

Whichever way you look at it, Liverpool F.C. have hardly done themselves any favours in their handling of the situation - 'King Kenny' seems to be living out his glory days of the '80s in his mind still, and his mindset seems to be in the 80's likewise.

[Treguard]

One day to go to the end of the transfer window. One day left for Burnley to not to do the usual thing of offloading our most promising player and not bring in a replacement, thus dooming us to midtable mediocrity. I'd be quite pleased if we could also sign a defender who can actually defend, and not just Kieran Trippier who believes he's the reincarnation of Roberto Carlos.