The RGF Shmup League - Season #3 Game #3: taking nominations

[weakboson]

I'd still prefer to keep it at a longer time. 15 days would be long enough for Arrow Flash but with SP a month was about right. I know not everyone was thrilled by the game but we all got to have a good go and there was some good competition. Perhaps it could do with being a bit shorter but I wouldn't want some people not to be able to have a good crack at the game or feel like they still have unfinished business with it.

My vote is three weeks per game, then I guess five days inbetween.

EDIT: forgot my submission:



weakboson - 580,860 - Stage 5 - Stock - USA/EU ROM

[Fightersmegamix]

Maybe we could incorporate new releases and get rid of the voting on some months. Sine Mora and Akai Shin are both coming out in the next couple of months, its most likely we will all be playing them anyway so why not include them now? It might attract new players, I know you need a 360 but I'm guessing most people have one. The only other suggestion I have is that we rotate between vertical and horizontal shmups for each new game.

Arrow flash then, it's a bit expensive on MD so I'll try and download the MAME version.

[AmidstStorm]

I'd still prefer to keep it at a longer time. 15 days would be long enough for Arrow Flash but with SP a month was about right. I know not everyone was thrilled by the game but we all got to have a good go and there was some good competition. Perhaps it could do with being a bit shorter but I wouldn't want some people not to be able to have a good crack at the game or feel like they still have unfinished business with it.

My vote is three weeks per game, then I guess five days inbetween.

EDIT: forgot my submission:

weakboson - 580,860 - Stage 5 - Stock - USA/EU ROM

ooh good score. I knew i wouldn't be out in front very long.

So how do you feel about 20 days then to round it off?

Like I said if i can get 5 people agreed on a number, we'll change it. i'll edit my vote for 20 days.

[AmidstStorm]

Maybe we could incorporate new releases and get rid of the voting on some months. Sine Mora and Akai Shin are both coming out in the next couple of months, its most likely we will all be playing them anyway so why not include them now? It might attract new players, I know you need a 360 but I'm guessing most people have one. The only other suggestion I have is that we rotate between vertical and horizontal shmups for each new game.

Arrow flash then, it's a bit expensive on MD so I'll try and download the MAME version.

It's a MD/GEN exclusive. I recommend K-Fusion.

New releases is fine with me for sure, but not sure about abolishing noms/voting. Nothing to say people can't nominate a new release. Sturmwind is coming up too on Dreamcast!

Edit: oh and i've kinda boycotted digital downloads. I waste far too much money. Not sure everybody would want to pay for a game just to play in the league either. That's why emulation is handy for nearly everrything. I would like to play more Dreamcast shooters at some point though and it's hard because i don't think there is any reliable emulators out there. i know burning discs isn't difficult but are people willing to do that. I guess we can see what people think nearer the time if something comes up

[Vyothric]

Sine Mora and Akai Shin are both coming out in the next couple of months, its most likely we will all be playing them.

Never heard of them.

I know you need a 360 but I'm guessing most people have one

Nope.

[Mootown]

Missed my chance to play Parodius been too busy with work, rubbish.

[DigitalDuck]

I'm fine with 20 days, but then I generally have no life anyway.

I'll run through and submit a score when I get home.

[Fightersmegamix]

How did we manage to get a game not available on MAME Ok, my final bunch of suggestions I think the idea of voting at the end of each month won't work, I want time in advance to know what game we are playing so I can pick up a copy if I don't own it. At the moment we can play any game on any format (except 360 of course), there's just too many options and it will get too complex. I don't want to spend more time voting and arsing about with downloads than playing. I like the idea of playing games I might not otherwise try, but there has to be limits.

I think we should just pick a system and batter it PS2 is the most popular console, there are quite a lot of PAL shmups that are pretty cheap to pick up, we just play one PS2 shmup each month. We know in advance what we are playing and just go through the catalogue. Next year it's another console. This has the added advantage of not having to dig consoles out of cupboards and you can build up a collection should you wish to buy instead of emulate.

[Vyothric]

Boom.





Vyothric - 758,640 - Stage 5 (Completed) - Stock - JUE Rom



Now that that's done I'll be able to relax a bit and will try and get a video done.

[Sel Feena]

Missed my chance to play Parodius been too busy with work, rubbish.

Yeah this sort of thing is exactly my worry if we reduce time too much. As for going with a set system, not a fan of that idea. I don't want to spend money just to take part in the league, sticking to titles that were released on lots of platforms, at least one of which is easily emulatable, seems best to allow everyone to get involved.

[Misery]

Missed my chance to play Parodius been too busy with work, rubbish.

Yeah this sort of thing is exactly my worry if we reduce time too much. As for going with a set system, not a fan of that idea. I don't want to spend money just to take part in the league, sticking to titles that were released on lots of platforms, at least one of which is easily emulatable, seems best to allow everyone to get involved.

Clearly though, having an entire month didnt help in this case either.


I dunno. I personally am fine with anything shorter. Regardless of the game, I sure as heck wont be focusing on it for an entire month even if it's one I enjoy alot. Last month I ended up just playing Futari or DFK most of the time, and this month, Arrow Flash being a bit easy/slow, I'm likely to play Raystorm more than anything else. Month is a bit too long for me. Really rather low attention span. And way, WAY too much free time.

As it is I'm likely to forget to try to put up a score for a number of days. I'd thought of doing one last night, but ended up just playing Mad God the whole night.

How did we manage to get a game not available on MAME Ok, my final bunch of suggestions I think the idea of voting at the end of each month won't work, I want time in advance to know what game we are playing so I can pick up a copy if I don't own it. At the moment we can play any game on any format (except 360 of course), there's just too many options and it will get too complex. I don't want to spend more time voting and arsing about with downloads than playing. I like the idea of playing games I might not otherwise try, but there has to be limits.

I think we should just pick a system and batter it PS2 is the most popular console, there are quite a lot of PAL shmups that are pretty cheap to pick up, we just play one PS2 shmup each month. We know in advance what we are playing and just go through the catalogue. Next year it's another console. This has the added advantage of not having to dig consoles out of cupboards and you can build up a collection should you wish to buy instead of emulate.

As emulation goes, only the oldest consoles (or the Wii, for some reason) will work. I do think it HAS to pretty much be emulate-able games, or there's always going to be a couple of players that simply cannot play it. I cant do PS2, myself, for instance. Oh I HAVE one, but the horrible thing just sits in a heap being useless. It cant run foreign games, that one, and I dunno what you guys got over there, but here in the States there are very few shmups available for it, and PS2 games got rare fast around here. Frankly though, I'm not sure the hideous thing still WORKS..... and I dont particularly care to find out. It can rot in that corner, really.

Now if there was a WORKING PS2 emulator that might be a different thing. But there isnt.

[Sel Feena]

Oh I agree to a certain extent, with shmups there's not much point having too long. But the point is that there should still be a comfortable amount of time so that others can still hop inwhen they have the time. 20 days seems reasonable. I'll vote for that.

[AmidstStorm]

Boom.

Vyothric - 758,640 - Stage 5 (Completed) - Stock - JUE Rom

Now that that's done I'll be able to relax a bit and will try and get a video done.

What's happpened here? A 1CC?.. Where's your video proof? What cheats did you use? Action replay was it? Game Genie?

All joking aside, congrats Vyothric. The first 1CC of the league.

This might make you a little happier now. The game time is being reduced to 20 days, I have received 6 votes which is majority imo as we've only had 10 submitting players so far. weakboson, DigitalDuck, Sel Feena, Vyothric, Gmintyfresh & myself.

I don't think this is too much of a time chop and with the 5 day voting and nomination period between games, we're pushing near a month per game anyhow.

This will take immediate effect.

Rankings Updated

[AmidstStorm]

Rule Updates:

- The current game time will be a period of 20 days, rather than starting on a set date, like the first day of each month which was originally planned.

- The top five high scorers of the current game will each nominate a new game to play for the next 20 days.

- The players who have submitted scores for the last game in play are the only one who get to cast votes.

- Including the players who get to nominate a game, they get two votes each to cast on any two of the five games nominated..

- There will be a short period, of 5 days between each game played, to give players the chance to decide their nominations and cast their votes for the new game.

- The next game will start immediately if all nominations/votes have been taken before the 5 day time limit.

- If the 5 days is up and not all current score submitters have voted. The game with the most votes at that point will be played.

- A suggestion for only scores to be made during the 20 day period to be posted for submission into the league. Though this cannot and won't be strictly policed. It would be nice to think somebody wouldn't just come in, post a pic of a score they did 5 yrs ago with a 1 credit clear, when now they can't even play the game to any sort of similar standard.

- You can submit as many high scores as you like throughout the 20 day period of the current game.

[Sputryk]

I don't think a 1-system season would work. I only have a few systems and I haven't bought any games for years. Therefore, if I don't have the system for the season, or I do but not the game then I simply won't be involved, thereby limiting the pool of competitors. Most of what I do is emu, and it works a treat over in RetroLeague - if it is easy to emu, I join in otherwise I skip a game. Currently, RetroLeague has an Amiga title for competition - a system I don't have emu for and don't want; whereas previous weeks have involved C64 and MAME which I do entertain.

Voting can be done in a few ways, though I don't think casting votes during the game-week is feasible - far too easy for the chap in charge to lose track of what's what. I think one of the following:

1) (Assuming the league had not started) all nominations provided before start of play, one being chosen at random (and trust given that it is random). At the end of the game-week another randomly chosen game from the original pot is chosen. There are no votes, only nominations. and no need, unless we want, for a gap in game-weeks. Nominations can be changed at any time.
2) Keep the gap in game-weeks for nominating and casting votes. It is always good to have a breather between games of long duration (though Retroleague only has a breather between seasons as it is a game per week).

The first game of the season is an open choice of everyone nominating. Subsequent choices are randomly chosen from only the choices of gamers of the previous week - if you don't take part in a week, your nomination is ignored until you do take part.