Valve's Steambox

[Havantgottaclue]

it doens't matter whom you are ...

In this context, it's who, not whom. Only use "whom" when it's a direct or indirect object (to whom, from whom, with whom etc.) I know it seems like a bit of grammar Nazism on my part but to be fair you are questioning other posters' intelligence on this thread so in a way you deserve it.

[retrojc]

it doens't matter whom you are ...

In this context, it's who, not whom. Only use "whom" when it's a direct or indirect object (to whom, from whom, with whom etc.) I know it seems like a bit of grammar Nazism on my part but to be fair you are questioning other posters' intelligence on this thread so in a way you deserve it.

Pretty sure thats justa a typo.

Edit, I don't care.

[retrojc]

No. Buying a new system and it not being able to play Solitaire is so wrong. When you buy a new PC, it doens't matter whom you are you will have an expectation, even if wrong. If you spend £500 on a PC you'd expect it to play this and that. If you speant £1000, you'd expect it to play most, if you spent £2000 you'd expect it to play everything etc.

I see your point, but you're wording it so wrong haha

As you're aware, there's more to a PC than a price. It's just a shame that places like PCWorld provide poorly specced prebuilts. Even their higher end gaming stuff rarely has anything above mid range graphics cards.

Taht pricing i was listing was for pre-bilt systems, Haven't been to PC world in years after their shocking pricing of 4GB DDR3 RAM

[theantmeister]

Meh, my current PC cost £500 and it runs Fallout New Vegas at 2560x1600 without raising a sweat. It all depends on what components you go for. Having said that, I can't see how Valve could produce a capable gaming PC for console money. Mind you, Microsoft did it with the original Xbox, but they took a bath on every unit sold, so maybe Valve will do that.

Then again, does it need to be £200? Maybe they'll sell it for a higher price and point out the games are much cheaper?

In any case, I don't see how you can abstract away the hassles of Windows gaming. Updates, virus scans, firewalls - these are all part and parcel of running on the Windows platform. How do you get rid of that hassle?

[Rayne]

Even at £400 it'd be an attractive purchase, it's a fully functioning PC afterall, what's to stop you using it as a games centre/media machine? Hell even word processing..

[Antiriad2097]

PC gaming is nutty complicated, all that bull censored about buying a new system and it working is just that - bull. I've had new laptops & towers that couldn't handle solitaire due to gfx cards and that shizz.

For the people who don't read the spec of what they're buying, OnLive will work. If it can play video, OnLive will make it game compatible.

[speedlolita]

Even at £400 it'd be an attractive purchase, it's a fully functioning PC afterall, what's to stop you using it as a games centre/media machine? Hell even word processing..

But you could buy a PC for £400 now.



Seriously, as I said, my i3 2100T (i3 2100 would do also) can play Valve games perfectly well on high with integrated GPU. Get a cheapy case, PSU and some kind of storage discs and you'd just have to spend the rest on parts.

But I mean, if they're able to manufacture something this would bring the cost down even more.

Some kind of OEM system based around a i5 2500k would do the job dandy.

[Misery]

PC gaming is nutty complicated, all that bull censored about buying a new system and it working is just that - bull. I've had new laptops & towers that couldn't handle solitaire due to gfx cards and that shizz..

Dprinny is right about the consoles though - literally all AAA titles are now developed with consoles in mind with PC ports as an afterthought, sure the PC has loads of little indie titles but consoles are where the meat and potatoes are

*sigh*

This is one I see all the time. Generally, anyone thinking that PC games are just full of "little indie games"..... hasnt played very many (or any) PC games.

There's QUITE alot of games that are.... big..... on PCs, but NEVER make it to consoles. But you have to know where to look for them. PC games dont get as advertised, because.... because DERP. As it is, I really doubt Steam itself would ever have taken off as it has if it was just full of "little indie games". It's why I dont think consoles have meat, potatoes, OR even cheese. They've got like, half of a stale cookie. A stale cookie with a spider on it. And the spider...... is dead.


Granted, I'll take indie games over the triple-A crap any day. But that's hardly all there are. In order to find out what else IS there though.... some actual effort is needed, where that really ISNT the case with console games. Something like Evochron Mercenary is a great example. I know a couple of people that would LOOOOOOOVE that game.... there seriously is not even a single game on current consoles that is quite like that one. There have been a couple that have TRIED, but failed miserably. Bloody huge game, and not easy to learn.... but it's the one to go for if you like that kind of game. It's not a "tiny indie game" that someone made in 2 days and has pixelly 2D graphics.... no, this is a full-blown 3D giant space sim, with a rather silly amount of complexity. Buuuuuut.... much as those people I know would like that game, I cant get them to TRY it because "effort". It's very slightly harder ALMOST than using a console game, so they wont do it. It's almost funny. Funny for me, that is.


One way or another though.... Valve has had this big idea simply because Steam is popular and VERY successful.... and they'd not have gotten there just by small indie titles alone, or just by having THEIR games on there (MOST people on Steam seem to START OFF owning those, as they're usually the first things bought before they look for different stuff).


I'll be interested to see what happens with this.

I have no intention of BUYING it myself..... good grief no, I've got my $1200 gaming rig PC already..... but I'll still be interested to watch and see just what happens.

If anyone can pull this off and make it profitable.... it's Valve.

[speedlolita]

Or Activision.

CALL OF DOODY BOX.

[Misery]

Or Activision.

CALL OF DOODY BOX.

Ugh.

I really hope THAT one doesnt happen.

Activision with their own console.... *shudder*.

They'd do it, too, wouldnt they, if they thought it was a good move. And it'd end up being made of PURE EVIL.

[Rayne]

For the people who don't read the spec of what they're buying, OnLive will work. If it can play video, OnLive will make it game compatible.

Not for those of us that don't have super-fast broadband, I live out in the sticks. It's 2MB advertised, more like .5 MB in real

PC gaming is nutty complicated, all that bull censored about buying a new system and it working is just that - bull. I've had new laptops & towers that couldn't handle solitaire due to gfx cards and that shizz..

Dprinny is right about the consoles though - literally all AAA titles are now developed with consoles in mind with PC ports as an afterthought, sure the PC has loads of little indie titles but consoles are where the meat and potatoes are

*sigh*

This is one I see all the time. Generally, anyone thinking that PC games are just full of "little indie games"..... hasnt played very many (or any) PC games.

There's QUITE alot of games that are.... big..... on PCs, but NEVER make it to consoles. But you have to know where to look for them. PC games dont get as advertised, because.... because DERP. As it is, I really doubt Steam itself would ever have taken off as it has if it was just full of "little indie games". It's why I dont think consoles have meat, potatoes, OR even cheese. They've got like, half of a stale cookie. A stale cookie with a spider on it. And the spider...... is dead.


Granted, I'll take indie games over the triple-A crap any day. But that's hardly all there are. In order to find out what else IS there though.... some actual effort is needed, where that really ISNT the case with console games. Something like Evochron Mercenary is a great example. I know a couple of people that would LOOOOOOOVE that game.... there seriously is not even a single game on current consoles that is quite like that one. There have been a couple that have TRIED, but failed miserably. Bloody huge game, and not easy to learn.... but it's the one to go for if you like that kind of game. It's not a "tiny indie game" that someone made in 2 days and has pixelly 2D graphics.... no, this is a full-blown 3D giant space sim, with a rather silly amount of complexity. Buuuuuut.... much as those people I know would like that game, I cant get them to TRY it because "effort". It's very slightly harder ALMOST than using a console game, so they wont do it. It's almost funny. Funny for me, that is.

World of Warcraft, Starcraft, Shogun. Err....

[markopoloman]

World of Warcraft, Starcraft, Shogun. Err....

I don't think you'll ever be known as the 'Sherlock Holmes' of the forum

[Misery]

Not for those of us that don't have super-fast broadband, I live out in the sticks. It's 2MB advertised, more like .5 MB in real

World of Warcraft, Starcraft, Shogun. Err....

Yeah, those are NEVER what they're advertised.

Use http://www.speedtest.net if you wanna see just what the real speed is. Downloads from sites are not a good representation of this, because they can often be slow for EVERYONE, since alot of servers are terrible.

But yeah, Onlive, it needs well more than 2MB speed in order to function whatsoever.



As for the game list, I could seriously fill the page with the names of games that I personally have on this machine. NOT counting roms. There's no way I could type out all of THOSE.

I do think it's worth looking into PC gaming a bit more than many players do.... lest they miss out on something they might otherwise love.

Particularly with MMOs. WoW is *not* a good example of the genre.... it's actually one of the worst, easily. It's not a BAD game, mind you... but it's a TERRIBLE entry point to the genre and gives people the wrong idea of what the genre can be like.

[markopoloman]

TBH I'd seen this thread and glanced over it - but not really taken that much notice!

But having just popped onto Eurogamer, my eyes have been opened ......................

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012- ... console-pc

An i7 CPU, 8gb ram and Nvidia GPU.................................. Next Gen Consoles are no where near that!

[Misery]

TBH I'd seen this thread and glanced over it - but not really taken that much notice!

But having just popped onto Eurogamer, my eyes have been opened ......................

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012- ... console-pc

An i7 CPU, 8gb ram and Nvidia GPU.................................. Next Gen Consoles are no where near that!

So much of this is still rumor though.... it's clear they're doing SOMETHING but the specifics seem to be a mess right now.

HOPING they'll show something of it at GDC, which is nearly here. 2 days from now, I believe.