Is this really the best you can do?

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Re: Is this really the best you can do?

Postby RetroMartin on Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:17 pm

CraigGrannell wrote:
RetroMartin wrote:Out of interest Darran, if one does want to write an article and submit it for you lot to look at, how does that process work or do you have a list of things you'd love for readers to write articles on that we can see and maybe those that *CAN* write articles on those points can see you're missing them and give it a go!?

Pitch an idea (a few sentences should be sufficient) and make sure you can fulfil it, while also providing some proof that you can write. That's pretty much it for any magazine. When it comes to Retro Gamer specifically, the second of those points is very important: don't just pitch "I want to write a making-of on [game]" without first getting the game's creator to agree.

And that's one of the main issues in getting coverage of certain games and for certain platforms. One C64 classic has been absent from the magazine, because while I did get initial agreement from the devs way back around issue 25, they've never actually done the review; the same goes for a certain Amiga game that rhymes with 'Weedmall Chew'—I've been trying to sort that for years now, but, for one reason or another, those behind the game's design are always too busy (bar one, but the interview I have isn't enough to run the feature).

Note: do not write an article speculatively and expect it to be taken up. In fact, do not write speculatively at all. As I said, a few sentences to outline your idea, and, as relevant, permission/agreement from interviewees and proof of capability should be enough.


Ok that's good to know, what if you wanted to write a small boxout that would be inserted into the article in a "flashbox" as an aside to the main article? Would that also be covered or such and such?
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Re: Is this really the best you can do?

Postby Sel Feena on Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:18 pm

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Sel Feena wrote:^ Can't remember the issue, but the guys who made Sundog were covered in some depth iirc. Sorry I can't be more specific, my memory stinks.


Are you sure? I know Dungeon Master has been covered but I don't recall ever seeing anything particular about FTL (and a quick glance on the RG issue contents doesn't show anything).


Issue 10, FTL stuff and their formation mentioned, then moving straight on to...Dungeon Master. Sorry for that, you were absolutely right. :oops:
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Re: Is this really the best you can do?

Postby CraigGrannell on Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:11 pm

RetroMartin wrote:Ok that's good to know, what if you wanted to write a small boxout that would be inserted into the article in a "flashbox" as an aside to the main article? Would that also be covered or such and such?

In the case of features, those are written by the author or, in rare cases, as additions by the in-house team. Generally speaking with a magazine like Retro Gamer, everything's pretty templated, and so with a standard four-page making-of, you'd be expected to submit a 1800(ish)-word article, two boxouts of 200(ish) words, the strap-line and a bunch of grabs and captions. For new writers, it would probably make sense to pitch basic ideas for the boxouts along with the article idea.
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Re: Is this really the best you can do?

Postby RetroMartin on Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:35 pm

CraigGrannell wrote:
RetroMartin wrote:Ok that's good to know, what if you wanted to write a small boxout that would be inserted into the article in a "flashbox" as an aside to the main article? Would that also be covered or such and such?

In the case of features, those are written by the author or, in rare cases, as additions by the in-house team. Generally speaking with a magazine like Retro Gamer, everything's pretty templated, and so with a standard four-page making-of, you'd be expected to submit a 1800(ish)-word article, two boxouts of 200(ish) words, the strap-line and a bunch of grabs and captions. For new writers, it would probably make sense to pitch basic ideas for the boxouts along with the article idea.


Righto, cheers Craig!
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Re: Is this really the best you can do?

Postby GarryG on Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:32 am

I've read this thread with interest, and there are a lot of ideas and complaints about old Arcade Cab coverage out there.

May I suggest that now could be a good time to go over the supper-gun concept again.
I think you probably have a lot of newer and younger readers who may not know about this 'basic' road into playing real arcade boards, and I for one would like to see how the scene has prograssed, or otherwise, from when I first got interested in it... which was now 'back-in-the-day' itself!
What are supplyes like now? What are prices like now? is there still a viable user-base/community? These are all questions I'd like to read an informed and unbiast view on.


Oh, yeh... And did I see some old electromechanical games in that pic of the American arcade? Now, I'd like to see an article on 'the making of' those. I believe some of the circutry was more alcamy than science! ;)
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Re: Is this really the best you can do?

Postby merman on Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:20 pm

Morden, have you read the issue yet? Do you still stand by what you said?
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Re: Is this really the best you can do?

Postby MikeFishcake on Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:06 pm

Just to throw my opinion in - even as an Amiga fanboy I'd be interested in reading more stuff about the ST because it's not something I knew about in any great detail
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Re: Is this really the best you can do?

Postby khisanth on Sun Apr 01, 2012 1:15 pm

I have every issue of RG and yes whilst some topics will reappear, they cover NEW material, different angles etc. So its not recycling or giving you the same content at all. Besides its always good to get a refresher on something.

Why don't you write into every fashion magazine and complain all they write about is dresses, shoes and hats? Write into PC Format or Custom PC and complain that they are writing about a graphics card AGAIN?

I suggest you go back through your back issues and read the articles that you think are recycled and compare them.
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Re: Is this really the best you can do?

Postby khisanth on Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:12 pm

(It's obvious you can't just go out and buy all those games, just like you can't simply go to a store and buy an arcade PCB, but arcade gaming has become affordable, even for an average Joe. That's what internet auctions and stores are for. .


Arcade gaming affordable??! Crap/unpopular games on JAMMA PCBs maybe, but if you want a decent game PCB or an actual cabinet, you are talking about hundreds of pounds anything from £200 to £1000 ! MAME cabs easily sell for a lot of money.

The average Joe doesnt want to or simply cant afford to pay 200 quid just for a board!
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Re: Is this really the best you can do?

Postby Antiriad2097 on Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:51 pm

Decent PCBs are available at low cost. I think I only paid about £40 for my Bank Panic a couple of years back. Play that on a cheap Supergun and its cheaper than buying a 360 and a new game. Its fairly comparable to many retro gaming systems for the home - there's some easy to find cheap games and a number of expensive very desirables. You don't have to spend a huge amount to have a satisfying experience.
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Re: Is this really the best you can do?

Postby khisanth on Sun Apr 01, 2012 3:04 pm

Okay you have to find a game board say £50 quid has to be JAMMA if we want to use a Supergun which is about £35 quid. We need an ATX power supply, monitor and megadrive joypads.

thats nearly 150 quid to play one game with loads of wires and exposed boards! Which is why my two arcade JAMMA boards are used maybe once every two years!
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Re: Is this really the best you can do?

Postby Antiriad2097 on Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:25 pm

You can play it with loads of wires exposed if you want. Its far less than £150 though and a box to house it all will cost less than a fiver.

It doesn't have to be a JAMMA board (Bank Panic isn't), as long as the basic requirements (voltage and RGB primarily) are near enough and adapter is no more than a rewired edge connector.

No more expensive than any other console really.
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Re: Is this really the best you can do?

Postby khisanth on Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:25 pm

If you can find me a Defender board cheap let me know ;)
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Re: Is this really the best you can do?

Postby kiwimike on Fri May 11, 2012 9:54 am

khisanth wrote:I have every issue of RG and yes whilst some topics will reappear, they cover NEW material, different angles etc. So its not recycling or giving you the same content at all. Besides its always good to get a refresher on something.

Why don't you write into every fashion magazine and complain all they write about is dresses, shoes and hats? Write into PC Format or Custom PC and complain that they are writing about a graphics card AGAIN?

I suggest you go back through your back issues and read the articles that you think are recycled and compare them.


Fair point, although I thought another topic 'too much ZX love' had some fair points too.
That said, yep, I offer RG mag 'unconditional love' as the OP put it...as I generally enjoy the feature in the mag whether I have read about the same game earlier or not. As you said, and many others too- if there's a fresh angle it's all good.

Then you think of mags like Sci Fi now, and earlier sci fi mags like Starlog, Starburst etc. Are they only allowed to cover Star Wars once? Trek once? CE3K once? Sci fi subjects so huge to the industry/genre, and you should only ever do them in one issue then cover something totally different? All the time? Then...you would get others complaining you didn't cover the genre definers enough. You-just-can't-win. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, and opinions can never be right or wrong because they are just that. But when you read the feedback posts, what strikes you time and again is that what one person dislikes, a chorus of replies will say they love it. 99.9% of the time.
That's all you can do. Cater to what the majority of readers will enjoy. What else can you do? I'd personally challenge anyone who believes they can create a mag that 100% of the readership will have no issue with whatsoever and will find absolutely perfect- post here.
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Re: Is this really the best you can do?

Postby Rev. Stuart Campbell on Fri May 11, 2012 4:14 pm

Sparks43 wrote:So Boulder Dash will be getting a full 20 page write up to put right what was wrong with issue 53?


And what, pray tell, might that have been?
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