Infinite self-generating electricity

[The Angry Jock]

They look horrendous and areas where they can be installed are limited.

Same applies to all power plants and refineries

[ReplayRetro]

Ok, for a moment i'm willing to suspend the laws of physics as i know them just in case those laws are themselves part of the conspiracy (keeping us from discovering free energy) afterall if you're going to truly consider a theory you sometimes have to ignore existing knowledge to thoroughly test it so with that in mind let's assume these machines do exist and that they follow something similar to the hypothetical rules below
-Using magnets there are minimal/no moving parts rubbing against each other thus very little/no energy is wasted on friction (heat, sound etc)
-Magnets eventually lose their magnetic properties and so this could be the trade off to generate the electricity (rather than it coming from nothing)
-Magnetic power is far greater than electrical therefore 1 hypothetical "unit" of magnetic power could equal many "units" of electrical power
-The machines actually provide a finite amount of energy as the magnets run down, but these can easily be replaced with naturally occurring magnets

so assuming we now acknowledge and accept that these machines are possible we believe that the governments of the world do not want us using this because it would damage the economy? personally this is just as stupid an idea as the defiance of physics for several reasons
-People would still have to pay for the vast amounts of energy they need, as these machines would most likely be housed in something akin to current power stations, just as solar/wind power are not free either as the people generating it have to get paid, so as far as the industry is concerned this is just a new form of generation (actually one with better profit as maintenance is easier in a frictionless system
-One of the biggest impacts on the economy at the moment is the soaring cost of energy/fuel as this limits what the public can spend on goods and services, so cheaper energy = more spending money to put into the economy = more jobs = more people with spending money = more VAT contributions = reduced goverment debt
-even if people choose not to switch to electric cars there would be far more petrol to go around as oil would no longer be needed for energy production, public transport too would most likely switch to magnetically generated power. Less reliance on fossil fuel may cause prices to drop again resulting in increased spending money for the public

so why exactly would this be kept covered up?

To me the cover up is just as unlikely as the science behind the theory, however i will say that for people to turn around and say "its just not possible" without knowing everything about the universe and creation is equally as foolish. we have so much more to discover

[shiftytigger]

The main problem with harnessing nature is the fact that we don't understand how to do it efficiently. We can shrink electronic gadgets down to ever smaller proportions , yet we cant take advantage of the many wasted forms of energy we take for granted. Nice to see Audi finally implementing the braking system that recharges the batteries , something I was discussing 12 years ago with an engineer.

If we could apply some lateral thinking to everyday problems we would end up with greater efficiency.Still at least we will have plenty of battery life in our Ipads while the end of the world comes.

[the_hawk]

I don't know the ins and outs of how they work but it's to do with the scientists in general finally understanding magnetic power and somehow harnessing it to run these machines.

[pratty]

so assuming we now acknowledge and accept that these machines are possible we believe that the governments of the world do not want us using this because it would damage the economy? personally this is just as stupid an idea as the defiance of physics for several reasons
-People would still have to pay for the vast amounts of energy they need, as these machines would most likely be housed in something akin to current power stations, just as solar/wind power are not free either as the people generating it have to get paid, so as far as the industry is concerned this is just a new form of generation (actually one with better profit as maintenance is easier in a frictionless system
-One of the biggest impacts on the economy at the moment is the soaring cost of energy/fuel as this limits what the public can spend on goods and services, so cheaper energy = more spending money to put into the economy = more jobs = more people with spending money = more VAT contributions = reduced goverment debt
-even if people choose not to switch to electric cars there would be far more petrol to go around as oil would no longer be needed for energy production, public transport too would most likely switch to magnetically generated power. Less reliance on fossil fuel may cause prices to drop again resulting in increased spending money for the public

so why exactly would this be kept covered up?

I wouldn't have said it was a case of cheap energy hurting the economy. A cover up would be the energy companies and possibly the banks, losing the revenue they have been accumstomed to from the comparitively high cost of fuel.

As you say cheap energy would probably do the economy a lot of good. Manufacturing and transportation of goods would be lower (where the energy companies lose out), which lowers prices and the cost of living. People would have more disposable income and less likely to borrow (where the banks lose out). Goods and services become cheaper for the government too, so less taxation means yet more disposable income for the people to spend more and less government borrowing (banks lose out again).

Sure if the government had people's best interests at heart then it would be stupid to cover up beneficial technology, but insn't it part of the alledged conspiracy that governments are in the service of these business interests and look out for them first?

[ReplayRetro]

I still don't think they'd lose out, the energy companies would still be selling energy, just from a different source, its cheaper for them to produce so they'd still have profit, and as for the banks, well people will always borrow money, its what we do so they don't lose out either, in fact if anything at least people would actually pay off their debts for a change rather than going bankrupt and passing it on to the banks

[The Angry Jock]

in fact if anything at least people would actually pay off their debts for a change rather than going bankrupt and passing it on to the banks

You give "people" far too much credit.

[greenberet79]

I think offshore wind farms look great. I fly over one on my way to Ireland sometimes and I love it.

Anyway, we need to burn more rubbish to generate electricity.

[pratty]

I still don't think they'd lose out, the energy companies would still be selling energy, just from a different source, its cheaper for them to produce so they'd still have profit, and as for the banks, well people will always borrow money, its what we do so they don't lose out either, in fact if anything at least people would actually pay off their debts for a change rather than going bankrupt and passing it on to the banks

That's assuming the current energy companies are the ones supplying the new cheap energy. What they would fear is the competition from emerging rivals, due to lower cost in energy production and possible superior rival production methods. The big companies currently enjoy an oligopoly which I'm sure they'd like to preserve, what they don't want is the possibility of a relatively level playing field where they have to fight to re-establish their current position.

Secondly while they could still make a profit from renewable energy, I don't think it would be anything like what they make from non-renewable energy because they prices wouldn't be as subject to supply and demand, as they are with oil for example.

I'm sure if anyone is looking to profit from cheap renewable energy it will be the big energy companies so perhaps they're already looking into it themselves. The alledged supression of individual research might simply the big boys ensuring nobody beats thems to it, if that's what's going on.

[RetroRik]

I think Einstein came up with Zero Point energy and Tesla had some fantastic inventions. Maybe some we don't know about.?

If there is a conspiracy then maybe its that people with power and money could have taken their work further and come up with something interesting or even usefull. It might be in their interest to sit on that research.
( like when all the best German scientists were wisked off to America after WWII to continue with some interesting research ).

As for the current batch of shed scientists that claim to have found the answer...

Sorry, not for me. In this world of information overload there could be no way to keep all these inventors silent.

I do think though that the answer is in nature.

Take the humble plant. It absorbs unlimited energy from the sun.
Science says that the leaf actually converts 99% of sunlight into food/energy.

I suspect that our best solar cells don't get anywhere near that level.?

I watched a program the other night called "How Longs A Piece Of String.?"

On it a scientists suggested that the plant takes advantage of what happens at the quantum level.

Remember how they say a photon can be in more than one location at a time.?

Well if the leaf was to absorb a photon through its atoms it would lose most of the energy in transference but its possible that the photon passes through all parts of the leafs atoms at the same time so there is next to no power loss at all. The leaf evolved to take advantage of this weird quantum situation.

Its difficult to explain in words. I guess you had to watch the program.

Maybe the science that will come out of CERN will get us closer to this.

So in the end we have to take advantage of two power sources we have around us that will last us forever.
( on the human scale )

The Suns energy and Gravity. Although we don't know what gravity is yet but CERN might answer that as well.

Lets not forget what Einstein gave us... E=MC^2.. Energy and Mass are interchangable so at some point we might find a way but probably not from a shed.

RIK

[The Angry Jock]

Anyway, we need to burn more rubbish to generate electricity.

That's the kind of projects we've been working on recently, they're becoming more common.

[stvd]

there's loads of money being spent up north redeveloping harbours for this stuff. I don't see how it could be "poor"

As in the actual energy it returns is poor. There wouldn't be enough room in the sea for all the units it would require to power the UK.
Fair enough though, it's a new industry and perhaps, in the future, it might become more efficient.

[The Angry Jock]

As in the actual energy it returns is poor. There wouldn't be enough room in the sea for all the units it would require to power the UK.
Fair enough though, it's a new industry and perhaps, in the future, it might become more efficient.

Like I said, it needs more R&D. It also doesn't need to power the whole of the UK when used in conjunction with the half dozen other renewables available.

[sscott]

Absolute bullsh1t I'm afraid. Hate conspiracies.

[Ferret Oxide]

As Montgomery Scott used to tell Captain Kirk "You cannae change the laws of physics". Unfortunately for the devices in these videos, the laws of physics dictate that energy cannot be created. You can change energy from one type to another (kinetic to heat, for example) but not create it.

As said above, the major problem with wind enery is that it's too expensive (and running up electricity bills when there are already plenty of people who can't afford to heat their homes in winter). It's also unreliable as windspeed isn't constant and the turbines can't work if the wind is too weak (or too strong). So you still need fossil fuel or nuclear generators running alongside them to provide backup.

Tidal power has interesting possibilities but is unlikely to provide the sort of output to make it worthwhile. Consider this, the population of the country is heading towards 70 million. We haven't built any new nuclear power stations for a few decades, and the fossil fuel ones we've built have been small. We're predicted to face an energy shortage in the next few years as demand is creeping above supply and instead of doing something significant about it, we're faffing around with overly expensive windmills and technology that is probably decades away from being commercially viable.