Rangers - Scottish Division 3

[koopa42]

Rangers playing in the tin pot hun hun HUN league? As a Cov fan? I really should gufawww because we are FOOKED...... BUT having a Celtic/Annan Athletic supporting hun stepdad? We are already planning to go the the games ace.

[paranoid marvin]

Rangers will be back in the Prem in 3 years I'm sure. But those 3 years will see a BIG drop in revenue for the top clubs. Having said that, there's a silver lining and all the lower league clubs will see a nice cash windfall. I wonder how many will double/treble (or more) their tickets for away fans?
Also there's bound to be a number of 3rd Div matches shown on tv, again boosting revenue for the smaller clubs at the expense of the larger ones.


The chances are that Rangers fans will have a whale of a time, winning home and away with ease and giving their supporters the chance to visit new stadia and see their team win most of the time, whilst Celtic's Premier League title wins will seem much more hollow without their rivals.

Tbh it could end up being the boost the Scottish league has needed.

[supermario]

Rangers playing in the tin pot hun hun HUN league? As a Cov fan? I really should gufawww because we are FOOKED...... BUT having a Celtic/Annan Athletic supporting hun stepdad? We are already planning to go the the games ace.

Pop up and see me, Titch and Meaty when you're in Annan mate, it's only 15 miles from where we live.

[MrPackintosh]

Justice served...

To all those normal Rangers fans, of which I have many friends, I hope you're not gone for too long - can't wait until the first time you come back to CP!

To those minority of bitter Rangers fans, who are dying to see other teams struggle without them in the league - you have my pity, please grow up.

[MrPackintosh]

Justice served...

To all those normal Rangers fans, of which I have many friends, I hope you're not gone for too long - can't wait until the first time you come back to CP!

To those minority of bitter Rangers fans, who are dying to see other teams struggle without them in the league - you have my pity, please grow up.

[koopa42]

Rangers playing in the tin pot hun hun HUN league? As a Cov fan? I really should gufawww because we are FOOKED...... BUT having a Celtic/Annan Athletic supporting hun stepdad? We are already planning to go the the games ace.

Pop up and see me, Titch and Meaty when you're in Annan mate, it's only 15 miles from where we live.

All. Over. It. Gonna wreck it up like a BOSS!

[Edmond Dantes]

This was absolutely the right decision. I just hope it sticks and the monkeys in charge at the SFA don't manage to get their way and overrule this and reconstruct the league to get Rangers as high up as possible anyway.

As for the money issue, it's totally overblown. The TV deal in Scotland is far too low given the viewership Scottish games get. Celtic will face the biggest losses monetary wise without Rangers as well, the rest of the SPL will still sustain losses on the sponsorship/TV front in the coming years, but if they can make the league more competitive then they can increase gates, and that's where they'll make the real money. They can now make changes to the voting structure of the SPL as well, and in doing so vote to make the distribution of TV funds more even.

Really, this is a great opportunity for all clubs in Scotland (outwith Rangers and Celtic) to make the game fairer for themselves. Too long they've relied on Celtic and Rangers and it's just made the game stagnant. Take the game back, please!

[merman]

There was precedence, two previous clubs had gone into administration and were placed in the Third Division. So for integrity the same had to happen to Newco Rangers. At least the chairman has had the sense not to try for a breakaway league.

But... It could have been the opportunity to reform Scottish football for good. The chance for other teams to get European football could be a boost in terms of signings.

[Spector]

There was precedence, two previous clubs had gone into administration and were placed in the Third Division. So for integrity the same had to happen to Newco Rangers.

It’s due to Rangers’ liquidation, not administration (which led to a 10 point deduction in February), and that’s why they have to go to Division Three. Because the SPL relied so heavily on the Old Firm-dependant TV contract though, people seriously talked about finances being more important than ethics. Thank god it never went further than that.

Let’s remember the Celtic-Rangers domination is a relatively new thing. In the 80s Aberdeen were one of the best teams in Britain (and Europe) and Dundee United were a match for anyone including Barcelona (whom they beat home and away in 1987). However like in Spain, a change in the distribution of money plus a ridiculous 11-1 voting rule (meaning Celtic and Rangers can block anything they want) has led to this duopoly. In fact, there was a banner in a Spanish league game in 2010 that read “No queremos una otra Liga Escocesa”(“We don’t want another Scottish League”) They know what’s happening too.

For the long term future of the game, the SPL money must be distributed more evenly to stop the current two team tedium from happening again.

[Edmond Dantes]

Let’s remember the Celtic-Rangers domination is a relatively new thing. In the 80s Aberdeen were one of the best teams in Britain (and Europe) and Dundee United were a match for anyone including Barcelona (whom they beat home and away in 1987). However like in Spain, a change in the distribution of money plus a ridiculous 11-1 voting rule (meaning Celtic and Rangers can block anything they want) has led to this duopoly. In fact, there was a banner in a Spanish league game in 2010 that read “No queremos una otra Liga Escocesa”(“We don’t want another Scottish League”) They know what’s happening too.

For the long term future of the game, the SPL money must be distributed more evenly to stop the current two team tedium from happening again.

It's really not a new thing at all, out of all 115 years the football league has been going in Scotland, Rangers or Celtic have won in 97 of those years. It's infuriatingly dull, but hopefully Rangers liquidation could shake up the league and with fairer distribution of funds see some other clubs challenging. It's not likely really, but even if this whole episode only serves to make the whole game even a little bit fairer, that's a good start. It'll be Celtic who lose out most with Rangers gone anyway, the other teams can do better for themselves, make the league more exciting and in doing so attract more fans to their games and make more money!

[Spector]

Let’s remember the Celtic-Rangers domination is a relatively new thing. In the 80s Aberdeen were one of the best teams in Britain (and Europe) and Dundee United were a match for anyone including Barcelona (whom they beat home and away in 1987). However like in Spain, a change in the distribution of money plus a ridiculous 11-1 voting rule (meaning Celtic and Rangers can block anything they want) has led to this duopoly.

It's really not a new thing at all, out of all 115 years the football league has been going in Scotland, Rangers or Celtic have won in 97 of those years. It's infuriatingly dull, but hopefully Rangers liquidation could shake up the league and with fairer distribution of funds see some other clubs challenging.

It's true that the Old Firm have won the league as many times as you say, but it wasn't a duopoly like we have now. Every year the top two places are Celtic and Rangers, but after WWII up until when Souness took over at Ibrox in 1986, that only happened 9 times.

[ahb]

just a question when the newco bought assets from the old rangers thats club crest,ibrox etc did they buy the history from the old rangers as well i ask this because a similar thing happend to italian club napoli because when they were declared bankrupt and liqidated they reformed and after a few years later the clubs owner bought back their history and their former name (see link below)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.S.C._Nap ... nd_rebirth

[Liamh1982]

^ I think that's allowed in Italy (Fiorentina did much the same after reforming under a different name). Not entirely sure what the situation is in Scottish or English football regarding phoenix teams.

Airdrieonians went bust, re-formed as Airdrie United but there must be a good reason why they still haven't switched to the traditional name.

Aldershot re-emerged as Aldershot Town which they remain as to this day.

Accrington Stanley restarted initially as just Accrington.

Telford United, Rushden & Diamonds and Halifax re-emerged with "AFC" prefixes.

Chester City reformed as Chester FC, as they were known before 1983.

As for buying the old club's history, AFC Wimbledon were actually gifted Wimbledon FC's records and trophies by MK Dons in a ceremony a few years ago. But I think FA regulations still forbid them to use the original club's name and crest.

[the_hawk]

Funnily enough I was talking to a Rangers fan about this last night, apparently in this instance it wasn't the club that went bust, but the company which owned the club which has gone bust & changed from "Rangers Football Club Plc" to "The Rangers Football Club", the 'new' Club is still called Rangers FC.

[Spector]

Funnily enough I was talking to a Rangers fan about this last night, apparently in this instance it wasn't the club that went bust, but the company which owned the club which has gone bust & changed from "Rangers Football Club Plc" to "The Rangers Football Club", the 'new' Club is still called Rangers FC.

Yeah that sounds like a Rangers fan talking alright! Rangers owe people and clubs money they can't pay back so the club has gone bust; the new separate entity called The Rangers is free from all that. They can hardly say the new team doesn't have old Rangers' liabilties but at the same time has the old team's assets (including their history). If punishments are carried over -which the SFA are considering- then maybe it's the same club, but otherwise, not in my eyes.

EDIT: I've just seen the Wikipedia page for Rangers F.C. Can't believe it: "Rangers Football Club was a football club based in Glasgow, who played in the Scottish Premier League until the end of the 2011-12 season. The club's home was[4] the all-seated 51,082-capacity Ibrox Stadium in south-west Glasgow. Rangers had a fierce rivalry with Celtic...

Already in the past tense!